Starting copper power and ramp up?

[leewish]

Hi all,

I have been QTing fish and after observation and making sure they are eating then ramping up copper power .5 per day to 2.5 after 5 days.

My question is what are others doing? Can I do it faster without stressing the fish or is my protocall for copper good?

I’m not in a rush but obviously don’t want to have an outbreak either in QT.

 

[Fish Fan]

Yes, you could and should raise the copper quickly, if using an amine chelated product like Copper Power. Here's a post from Jay on this:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/c...has-a-wound-behind-fins.1164844/post-14446750

The danger in waiting and slowly ramping the copper is that you're running at less than the minimum therapeutic level, and you're allowing the disease to progress further before reaching that level.

Good luck!

 

[leewish]

Yes, you could and should raise the copper quickly, if using an amine chelated product like Copper Power. Here's a post from Jay on this:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/c...has-a-wound-behind-fins.1164844/post-14446750

The danger in waiting and slowly ramping the copper is that you're running at less than the minimum therapeutic level, and you're allowing the disease to progress further before reaching that level.

Good luck!

Maybe I’m missing it but where are the numbers to ramp faster?

Should it be 1, 2, 2.5? That’s what I’m looking for, the best ramping without over stressing.

 

[christinna77]

Maybe I’m missing it but where are the numbers to ramp faster?

Should it be 1, 2, 2.5? That’s what I’m looking for, the best ramping without over stressing.

Here's the full quarantine protocol: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/current-quarantine-protocol.825055/

This part specifically:

Days 1 – 2: Observation - let the fish settle in and determine proper diet.

• Set QT temperature to 78 - 79 degrees F.
• Adjust the salinity to match the value that the fish will be arriving in (if known).
• Acclimate the new fish to the QT:
  • If not done in step above, measure salinity of the water in which the fish arrived.
  • Adjust salinity in QT to within 2 ppt of the salinity of the water in which the fish arrived.
  • Acclimate the fish to the QT gradually over 45 minutes Use aeration. Additonal acclimation information is here: https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/acclimation-methods.903/
• Observe the fish for any symptoms which might influence the treatment(s) you should administer.
• Determine if the fish are eating adequately to proceed.

Day 2: Begin Copper Treatment

• Add Coppersafe or copper power to the QT to achieve a concentration of 2.25 ppm over the course of 24 hours. This can be done in two doses 12 hours apart or multiple smaller doses if you prefer. Coppersafe will not be effective until a concentration over 2.0 ppm is present. A target of 2.25 ppm will allow for fluctuations without the risk of falling below the 2.0 ppm threshold. Hanna Copper checker is the most accurate test to use.
• Never use ammonia removing products or other reducing agents (dechlorinator) when dosing copper. Most products bind copper with an amine to reduce toxicity to the fish. Reducing agents risk breaking that bond, releasing free copper that can harm the fish.
• Feed and top off tank water normally.

 

[leewish]

Here's the full quarantine protocol: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/current-quarantine-protocol.825055/

This part specifically:

Thank you. That’s what I was looking for!

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hi all,

I have been QTing fish and after observation and making sure they are eating then ramping up copper power .5 per day to 2.5 after 5 days.

My question is what are others doing? Can I do it faster without stressing the fish or is my protocall for copper good?

I’m not in a rush but obviously don’t want to have an outbreak either in QT.

Ramping up not recommended as it allows a given disease to take hold of a fish. Get to level within 24 hours and monitor with a Hanna brand copper test kit running the level of2.25 for a full 30 days

 

[mpatterson42]

Would ramping up be safer when quarantining a fish prophylactically? Like you bought a new fish at the local fish store, they're not a species sensitive to copper, and are not showing any outward signs of disease. Would you still raise it to 2.5 in 24 hours or go for a slower approach?

 

[christinna77]

Would ramping up be safer when quarantining a fish prophylactically? Like you bought a new fish at the local fish store, they're not a species sensitive to copper, and are not showing any outward signs of disease. Would you still raise it to 2.5 in 24 hours or go for a slower approach?

Imo, there's no point in ramping up chelated copper, as it's already very gentle on the fish and takes some time to even start working. Heck, I've seen my copepods happily living in 2.25 ppm. Ionic copper would be a different story.