Swim bladder? Brook?

[maevepotter]

Can anyone advise on treatment? My clownfish went through about 3 weeks of copper and maracyn oxy treatment, was in new display tank and was doing fast swimming for awhile then settled down for a few weeks. A couple of days ago the dark spot on his face appeared and the fin on that side seems clamped. He's breathing hard and now it seems his swim bladder is affected. I've put him in an hour dip of para guard.

On hand I have
Melafix
Para guard
Fritzcoppersafe
Maracyn oxy

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Can anyone advise on treatment? My clownfish went through about 3 weeks of copper and maracyn oxy treatment, was in new display tank and was doing fast swimming for awhile then settled down for a few weeks. A couple of days ago the dark spot on his face appeared and the fin on that side seems clamped. He's breathing hard and now it seems his swim bladder is affected. I've put him in an hour dip of para guard.

On hand I have
Melafix
Para guard
Fritzcoppersafe
Maracyn oxy

Can you post a clear video under white light? Hosting on YouTube works well.
The rapid breathing doesn’t line up with swim bladder issues.

Any other fish in with it?
The water tests out good?

 

[maevepotter]

Can anyone advise on treatment? My clownfish went through about 3 weeks of copper and maracyn oxy treatment, was in new display tank and was doing fast swimming for awhile then settled down for a few weeks. A couple of days ago the dark spot on his face appeared and the fin on that side seems clamped. He's breathing hard and now it seems his swim bladder is affected. I've put him in an hour dip of para guard.

On hand I have
Melafix
Para guard
Fritzcoppersafe
Maracyn oxy

Can you post a clear video under white light? Hosting on YouTube works well.
The rapid breathing doesn’t line up with swim bladder issues.

Any other fish in with it?
The water tests out good?

Just was uploading the video. See original post. No other fish. New display I'm setting up. I haven't tested the water yet but I have coral in there that are doing fine.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Just was uploading the video. See original post. No other fish. New display I'm setting up. I haven't tested the water yet but I have coral in there that are doing fine.

Dont assume please that fish are fine when coral are as both have two different requirements / Coral can tolerate high nitrate and ammonia whereas fish generally cannot as examples

 

[Jekyl]

Can you please detail your quarantine process? The 3 weeks of copper specified won't eliminate everything. Site recommended method is 30 days at 2.25

 

[maevepotter]

Can you please detail your quarantine process? The 3 weeks of copper specified won't eliminate everything. Site recommended method is 30 days at 2.25

I did about three weeks of copper with Fritz Copper safe and dosed it according to their instructions. I did not confirm levels with tests. I did two rounds of maracyn oxy according to instructions. Little guy seemed fine so I put him in the bigger tank due to ammonia control being difficult in a very small tank. I had an ammonia reader and changed the water every few days. There are no other fish in that tank yet so I figured if he did end up sick, no one else to get. The staff person at Petco told me they'd recently had fish from there wipe out her tank. So I quarantined. The 3 pajama cardinals I bought all died. This guy had some whitish stuff on him but that went away. As far as I saw he was fine for the first two weeks in the display tank post qt. Then the sudden bruise. I wondered if hole in head disease and then a few days later he was having trouble with equilibrium in the tank.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Just was uploading the video. See original post. No other fish. New display I'm setting up. I haven't tested the water yet but I have coral in there that are doing fine.

Ugh - that’s the unknown clownfish bruising syndrome. This is a severe case. We don’t know the cause, so there is no known treatment.

Clownfish bruising/lesion?

All, Over the past two years or so, I've come across dozens of cases on the fish disease forum here of an issue with clownfish that we have not been able to identify. I've never seen it on any clownfish I've had myself, but the issue seems most common on designer clowns, which I don't work...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Jekyl]

I did about three weeks of copper with Fritz Copper safe and dosed it according to their instructions. I did not confirm levels with tests. I did two rounds of maracyn oxy according to instructions. Little guy seemed fine so I put him in the bigger tank due to ammonia control being difficult in a very small tank. I had an ammonia reader and changed the water every few days. There are no other fish in that tank yet so I figured if he did end up sick, no one else to get. The staff person at Petco told me they'd recently had fish from there wipe out her tank. So I quarantined. The 3 pajama cardinals I bought all died. This guy had some whitish stuff on him but that went away. As far as I saw he was fine for the first two weeks in the display tank post qt. Then the sudden bruise. I wondered if hole in head disease and then a few days later he was having trouble with equilibrium in the tank.

Jay already answered the post above but I wanted to clarify for next time.. copper needs to be dosed a full 30 days at 2.25. Any time that level drops below 2.0, you might need to start the clock over. Here is a detailed method from Jay.

Current Quarantine Protocol

2024 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed, proactive quarantine process can effectively eliminate these...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[maevepotter]

Just was uploading the video. See original post. No other fish. New display I'm setting up. I haven't tested the water yet but I have coral in there that are doing fine.

Ugh - that’s the unknown clownfish bruising syndrome. This is a severe case. We don’t know the cause, so there is no known treatment.

Clownfish bruising/lesion?

All, Over the past two years or so, I've come across dozens of cases on the fish disease forum here of an issue with clownfish that we have not been able to identify. I've never seen it on any clownfish I've had myself, but the issue seems most common on designer clowns, which I don't work...

www.reef2reef.com

Oh crap!! What does this mean for my new tank?! It says it's a free swimming parasite that doesn't require a host. Do I need to break down the aquarium? What to do with live rock and corals??

"Uronema Marinum

Identifying this uncommon disease is fairly simple. It almost exclusively infects Chromis, although it may appear in other damsels and clownfish as well. Outside of these, it is incredibly rare to see Uronema on other species. It presents itself as a red lesion or sore on the fish’s body. It is a free-swimming parasite and requires no host, so the fish can never be returned to the infected tank, and all of the Chromis should be removed due to the risk of infection. To treat the fish, remove him immediately as the disease spends incredibly fast. In a quarantine tank, treat his food with a binder and Metronidazole. Now, treat the quarantine tank with Metronidazole, acriflavine, chloroquine phosphate, or copper. If one does not seem to be working, switch to a different medication after using carbon to remove the old treatment. It can be tricky to cure once there is external damage." https://www.algaebarn.com/blog/inte...presents itself as a,to the risk of infection.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Oh crap!! What does this mean for my new tank?! It says it's a free swimming parasite that doesn't require a host. Do I need to break down the aquarium? What to do with live rock and corals??

"Uronema Marinum

Identifying this uncommon disease is fairly simple. It almost exclusively infects Chromis, although it may appear in other damsels and clownfish as well. Outside of these, it is incredibly rare to see Uronema on other species. It presents itself as a red lesion or sore on the fish’s body. It is a free-swimming parasite and requires no host, so the fish can never be returned to the infected tank, and all of the Chromis should be removed due to the risk of infection. To treat the fish, remove him immediately as the disease spends incredibly fast. In a quarantine tank, treat his food with a binder and Metronidazole. Now, treat the quarantine tank with Metronidazole, acriflavine, chloroquine phosphate, or copper. If one does not seem to be working, switch to a different medication after using carbon to remove the old treatment. It can be tricky to cure once there is external damage." https://www.algaebarn.com/blog/intermediate/uncommon-saltwater-diseases-and-infections/#:~:text=Uronema Marinum&text=It presents itself as a,to the risk of infection.

This is not uronema

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Oh crap!! What does this mean for my new tank?! It says it's a free swimming parasite that doesn't require a host. Do I need to break down the aquarium? What to do with live rock and corals??

"Uronema Marinum

Identifying this uncommon disease is fairly simple. It almost exclusively infects Chromis, although it may appear in other damsels and clownfish as well. Outside of these, it is incredibly rare to see Uronema on other species. It presents itself as a red lesion or sore on the fish’s body. It is a free-swimming parasite and requires no host, so the fish can never be returned to the infected tank, and all of the Chromis should be removed due to the risk of infection. To treat the fish, remove him immediately as the disease spends incredibly fast. In a quarantine tank, treat his food with a binder and Metronidazole. Now, treat the quarantine tank with Metronidazole, acriflavine, chloroquine phosphate, or copper. If one does not seem to be working, switch to a different medication after using carbon to remove the old treatment. It can be tricky to cure once there is external damage." https://www.algaebarn.com/blog/intermediate/uncommon-saltwater-diseases-and-infections/#:~:text=Uronema Marinum&text=It presents itself as a,to the risk of infection.

This probably is not Uronema - severe Uronema will cause open sores in the fish as the internal protozoan spreads and reaches the skin. It is very rare in clownfish.

This clownfish bruising syndrome is different - you can really only see the bruises in the lighter areas of the fish, and the “bruise” never reaches the skin’s surface.

 

[maevepotter]

Oh crap!! What does this mean for my new tank?! It says it's a free swimming parasite that doesn't require a host. Do I need to break down the aquarium? What to do with live rock and corals??

"Uronema Marinum

Identifying this uncommon disease is fairly simple. It almost exclusively infects Chromis, although it may appear in other damsels and clownfish as well. Outside of these, it is incredibly rare to see Uronema on other species. It presents itself as a red lesion or sore on the fish’s body. It is a free-swimming parasite and requires no host, so the fish can never be returned to the infected tank, and all of the Chromis should be removed due to the risk of infection. To treat the fish, remove him immediately as the disease spends incredibly fast. In a quarantine tank, treat his food with a binder and Metronidazole. Now, treat the quarantine tank with Metronidazole, acriflavine, chloroquine phosphate, or copper. If one does not seem to be working, switch to a different medication after using carbon to remove the old treatment. It can be tricky to cure once there is external damage." https://www.algaebarn.com/blog/intermediate/uncommon-saltwater-diseases-and-infections/#:~:text=Uronema Marinum&text=It presents itself as a,to the risk of infection.

This probably is not Uronema - severe Uronema will cause open sores in the fish as the internal protozoan spreads and reaches the skin. It is very rare in clownfish.

This clownfish bruising syndrome is different - you can really only see the bruises in the lighter areas of the fish, and the “bruise” never reaches the skin’s surface.

Hi Jay,

So what do you recommend about my tank? My little guy did die. :( is it safe to put other fish in that tank?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi Jay,

So what do you recommend about my tank? My little guy did die. :( is it safe to put other fish in that tank?

So - since the clownfish bruising syndrome doesn't have a know cause, I can't really say.

Are there other fish in the tank right now that are symptom free? If so, then waiting 14 days since the clown died is probably safe. If there are no fish in the tank currently, your clown could have had a concurrent disease that killed it. In that case, you'll want to wait 6 weeks. In addition, you'll want to quarantine any new fish (and that takes about the same amount of time) or buy pre quarantined fish, to try and avoid future issues.

 

[maevepotter]

And you don't believe it could be uronema?

 

[maevepotter]

Hi Jay,

So what do you recommend about my tank? My little guy did die. :( is it safe to put other fish in that tank?

So - since the clownfish bruising syndrome doesn't have a know cause, I can't really say.

Are there other fish in the tank right now that are symptom free? If so, then waiting 14 days since the clown died is probably safe. If there are no fish in the tank currently, your clown could have had a concurrent disease that killed it. In that case, you'll want to wait 6 weeks. In addition, you'll want to quarantine any new fish (and that takes about the same amount of time) or buy pre quarantined fish, to try and avoid future issues.

No other fish. I was planning to move my existing fish into that tank as it's supposed to be my new display. This guy was qtd for 3 weeks.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

And you don't believe it could be uronema?

No - clownfish rarely develop Uronema, and that looks different: there would be an open sore at the end of the infection.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

No other fish. I was planning to move my existing fish into that tank as it's supposed to be my new display. This guy was qtd for 3 weeks.

Did you treat with anything during quarantine?

Since we don’t know what disease issues the fish may have had, the safest course of action would be to leave the tank fishless for 60 days, but that doesn’t sound workable in your case.