Velvet (Amyloodinium ocellatum)

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Since 9/16, Tank has been at 2.4-2.5ppm copper power and fish look worse with more “spots” . I took some pictures of what is normally an all black bristletooth tang and his skin is now pale and the spots look black. Could this be black ich (similar markings on hippo tang) and thus needing Prazi treatment. As I know its a worm parasite? Exasperating ….

Those spots are too diffuse to be the typical “black ich”. They could be “scars”- granlatomous tissue as a reaction to where the ich trophonts were.

All your previous photos clearly show ich. Are you still seeing ich spots on the fish?
Are any of the fish scratching?

Prazi doesn’t work well on turbellarians line black ich, they are too deeply seated. Formalin or even FW dips work better.

 

[Flame2hawk]

Ich spots are present and worse even though copper power at therapeutic level since 16th. Couple fish scratching and listless.

 

[winxp_man]

Ich spots are present and worse even though copper power at therapeutic level since 16th. Couple fish scratching and listless.

Yes this is normal as the fishes skin heals from ich dropping off of it. Remember ich has a time line, and release off fish 3-7 days after infection. Copper will not kill ich that is on fish. The fishes mucus layer protects them. So this can show up days after being clean even in copper.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Ich spots are present and worse even though copper power at therapeutic level since 16th. Couple fish scratching and listless.

That is odd. Can you post a fresh video?

 

[Flame2hawk]

I will try to post a video later. However the fish have spots all over their fins as well as body. I believe you mentioned if spots are in the fins. It’s got to be ich. There r 2 fish with black spots like the Bristletooth above. The other is hippo tang. He’s hiding allot.

 

[Flame2hawk]

HOPE video is watchable….

 

[winxp_man]

HOPE video is watchable….

Its just a picture on my end.

 

[Flame2hawk]

 

[winxp_man]

The more I see, the more it looks like mucus cones, and ich.

Velvet would have killed the fish, brook you would see different issues, and flukes only one type that you can see without a microscope.

With ich on the other hand, most fish act normal for a long a lot longer than the rest of the diseases.

 

[Flame2hawk]

Hopefully these videos help Jay and anyone else

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I see a variety of possible issues - mucus cones, but also ich. The genicanthus angel is missing its right pectoral fin? That looks pretty bad - might need isolation and antibiotics, but then, what if it is harboring some other disease?

The water looks a bit dingy to me, and the larger scribbled looks a bit emaciated (is that an old fish?). Did you add rally pro? That would account for the dingy-ness.

 

[Flame2hawk]

Added prazi powder at 1 tsp every 40 gallons about 4 hrs ago.

I was debating whether to take the genicanthus out and medicate with kanaplex.

As far as ich, not sure why it hasnt gotten better in 9 days?

As far as mucus cones mostly on hippos, what can be done.

This ich seems a bit more intense then others Ive had in years past. Im still at 2.5ppm copper power.

The reason the large scribble is skinny is because he is bind and I have to hand feed him.