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i’ve had it 2 months my nitrate is at 14 and my phosphate is at 0.01 my alkalinity is at 8.3 my calcium is 460 my magnesium is at 1360 and my salinity is at 35Parameters of your water would be a good start and any info as to anything that might have changed recently etc. how long have you had it , etc. also how long has your tank been set up and running ?
i’ve been moving it around a lot to try and get the flow and lighting correcti’ve had it 2 months my nitrate is at 14 and my phosphate is at 0.01 my alkalinity is at 8.3 my calcium is 460 my magnesium is at 1360 and my salinity is at 35
i’ve been moving it around a lot to try and get the flow and lighting correct
The one observation along with the constant changes is your tank might not be fully cycled at 2 months to successfully keep a torch yet. Have you tested for ammonia ???i’ve had it 2 months my nitrate is at 14 and my phosphate is at 0.01 my alkalinity is at 8.3 my calcium is 460 my magnesium is at 1360 and my salinity is at 35
Coral is fine with ammonia... It uses it as food.The one observation along with the constant changes is your tank might not be fully cycled at 2 months to successfully keep a torch yet. Have you tested for ammonia ???
okay that’s acc really helpful i will do soThat's a problem as you are asking the coral to constantly adapt to different lighting conditions, so it's not a happy camper.
Pick a spot that is within the known proper light intensity and flow for this species and leave it there for a while.
i’ve has the tank 7 months now and my ammonia is 0The one observation along with the constant changes is your tank might not be fully cycled at 2 months to successfully keep a torch yet. Have you tested for ammonia ???
Ammonia in a new tank is a good tell tale as to how far along the cycle process is . That being said the cycling process can be very stressful on any coral especially a torch coral . While it has been said that ammonia in small amounts can be good for coral there is a limit to how much ammonia can be in the tank before it becomes toxic . With a tank that hasn’t cycled there is microbiome war going on as well as not enough bacteria to convert from ammonia to nitrite to nitrate . Coral may or may not survive . The ones that do , I personally would think they wouldnt thrive . Also Parameters need to be somewhat stabilized ie: cal,mag , alk pho’s , etc.Coral is fine with ammonia... It uses it as food.
Ok, now you're talking about the problem of putting coral into a new tank that's not yet stable. This is completely different from the issue you posted before.Ammonia in a new tank is a good tell tale as to how far along the cycle process is . That being said the cycling process can be very stressful on any coral especially a torch coral . While it has been said that ammonia in small amounts can be good for coral there is a limit to how much ammonia can be in the tank before it becomes toxic . With a tank that hasn’t cycled there is microbiome war going on as well as not enough bacteria to convert from ammonia to nitrite to nitrate . Coral may or may not survive . The ones that do , I personally would think they wouldnt thrive . Also Parameters need to be somewhat stabilized ie: cal,mag , alk pho’s , etc.
The one observation along with the constant changes is your tank might not be fully cycled at 2 months to successfully keep a torch yet. Have you tested for ammonia ???
There was not a original statement from me telling OP that ammonia is bad . it was a question as to what his ammonia level was . You chimed in saying ammonia is good for coral quoting my message to OP . I responded TO YOU agreeing to a point and pointing out ammonia is ok to a point before it is toxic . Just like coral need phosphates but in excess it will kill them . I originally asked the op for his parameters he didn’t list ammonia . After he mentioned that his tank was up only 2 months is why I asked him for that reading . Never did I tell him his ammonia was bad as even now I still don’t know what his ammonia levels are. do you ?. While responding to you I did voice my opinion of a possible reason of what might be the issue with his declining torch coral . My intention was to find solutions for the OP !!! . What is your intentions ???, to argue with me about something I didn’t say ?. I tried to help OP with questions and possibilities of what might be wrong given the little information presented .my intention is not to be having a conversation like this with you about something I didn’t say . I only asked the OP what his ammonia level was , you assumed I guess that I said ammonia was bad to him . Reread and tell me where I made that statement . No never mind please don’t tell me anything. If your intention is to change the narrative of a thread from a OP asking for help to you attacking me for something your making up to fit this narrative of yours for the sake of a argument , well that’s not a game I care to play and I will no longer respond to you about this issue . Now that being said do you have anything constructive to add to help the OP ??? . Remember You quoted my observation and question .Ok, now you're talking about the problem of putting coral into a new tank that's not yet stable. This is completely different from the issue you posted before.
Your original comment only implied that ammonia is bad for coral.
I stand by my comment that the presence of ammonia is not harmful to coral... Coral farmers literally dose ammonia to their tanks.
*As for your comment, "there is a limit to how much ammonia can be in the tank before it becomes toxic . With a tank that hasn’t cycled there is microbiome war going on as well as not enough bacteria to convert from ammonia to nitrite to nitrate . Coral may or may not survive", again, you are talking about something more than whether there is ammonia present in the tank. I can't imagine that someone who has added livestock to their tank has SUCH a high level of ammonia that this would be a problem
Wow!There was not a original statement from me telling OP that ammonia is bad . it was a question as to what his ammonia level was . You chimed in saying ammonia is good for coral quoting my message to OP . I responded TO YOU agreeing to a point and pointing out ammonia is ok to a point before it is toxic . Just like coral need phosphates but in excess it will kill them . I originally asked the op for his parameters he didn’t list ammonia . After he mentioned that his tank was up only 2 months is why I asked him for that reading . Never did I tell him his ammonia was bad as even now I still don’t know what his ammonia levels are. do you ?. While responding to you I did voice my opinion of a possible reason of what might be the issue with his declining torch coral . My intention was to find solutions for the OP !!! . What is your intentions ???, to argue with me about something I didn’t say ?. I tried to help OP with questions and possibilities of what might be wrong given the little information presented .my intention is not to be having a conversation like this with you about something I didn’t say . I only asked the OP what his ammonia level was , you assumed I guess that I said ammonia was bad to him . Reread and tell me where I made that statement . No never mind please don’t tell me anything. If your intention is to change the narrative of a thread from a OP asking for help to you attacking me for something your making up to fit this narrative of yours for the sake of a argument , well that’s not a game I care to play and I will no longer respond to you about this issue . Now that being said do you have anything constructive to add to help the OP ??? . Remember You quoted my observation and question .
When people ask me about adding coral I always tell them once salinity and temp are correct the tank is safe for coral as they aren’t as bothered by the cycle. But I always add the asterisk that this means only beginner corals and not sps or more parameter stability sensitive corals!With 2 people now posting that ammonia is damaging to coral, I feel the need (for both current and future readers of this thread) to post one more "off topic" comment. If you're interested in factual info about this, here is a great report that shows ammonia is extremely helpful to coral.
*I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT ANYONE ADD AMMONIA TO THEIR AQUARIUM, OR THAT IT IS NOT DETRIMENTAL TO FISH AND INVERTS.
Unravelling the different causes of nitrate and ammonium effects on coral bleaching - Scientific Reports
Mass coral bleaching represents one of the greatest threats to coral reefs and has mainly been attributed to seawater warming. However, reduced water quality can also interact with warming to increase coral bleaching, but this interaction depends on nutrient ratios and forms. In particular...www.nature.com
Of course! As I said, I am just trying to correct the misconception that ammonia is toxic to coral the way it is to fish and verts.When people ask me about adding coral I always tell them once salinity and temp are correct the tank is safe for coral as they aren’t as bothered by the cycle. But I always add the asterisk that this means only beginner corals and not sps or more parameter stability sensitive corals!