Whos been exposed to Palytoxin?

Top Shelf Aquatics

Stevegrant

New Member
View Badges
Joined
Jul 25, 2018
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
I had never heard the word Palytoxin before I decided to cull overgrown palythoas. About 4 hours after I finished I was watching TV and my right eye began to sting. It’s a long story that I won’t bore you with but I ended up in hospital with my cornea melting. A week later I had a corneal transplant. My opthomologist ended up doing aa paper and talk to other eye specialists here in Adelaide South Australia
 

Sailfinguy21

Well-Known Member
View Badges
Joined
May 28, 2019
Messages
556
Reaction score
496
curious , could some people be allergic to paly's/zoo's ? I have touched them while moving their rock or frag plug with no issues.

touching them when moving is different, me and others get sick when you cut them or boil them on the rocks or scrape them off rocks.. its the goo "blood" they let out that gets you
 

Fourthwind

Member
View Badges
Joined
Jan 22, 2016
Messages
46
Reaction score
46
Location
Thornton, CO

ca1ore

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Oct 28, 2014
Messages
8,402
Reaction score
11,167
Location
Stamford, CT
I'm setting up a reef aquarium in an educational setting (i.e., high school). Thinking it would be prudent to avoid all Palythoa and Zoanthus species. Thoughts on this? Or pick and choose among the Zoanthus species that are known to be safe?
I helped a local school set up a reef tank some years ago and strongly advised avoiding palys/zoos. While we reefers really ought to know better (palytoxin has been known about for decades), high school students do not. In this particular case, they went with softies and the tank was spectacular. Better, in fact, than any softie tank I had ever setup ..... :mad:
 
Corals.com

skimjim

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 23, 2014
Messages
3,419
Reaction score
4,491
Location
Cincinnati Ohio
I'm setting up a reef aquarium in an educational setting (i.e., high school). Thinking it would be prudent to avoid all Palythoa and Zoanthus species. Thoughts on this? Or pick and choose among the Zoanthus species that are known to be safe?
@Ross Petersen

IMO, Extremely irresponsible to have any palys in a high school.

If word got out that ingesting only one polyp would probably kill you.... I could see a possibility of one student getting one polyp from the tank and sneaking into someone's lunch sandwich that they hate and want to see die.

Immaturity and peer pressure and social status are fueling unpopular bullied kids to do some very stupid things....acting out in ways like never before.



.
 
Last edited:

InkedReefLady

Active Member
View Badges
Joined
Feb 21, 2017
Messages
177
Reaction score
214
Location
Michigan
Both my husband and I have had incidences where we've worked in former set ups (no palys or zoas in our 300 gallon!) and felt like we've had the flu and or a metal taste in the mouth after either working directly with them or in a tank that has them. They are pretty, but we will not keep them now.

Even at coral expos, I walk right by the vendors that sell them.

Ain't no body got time for palytoxin poisoning! LOL!
 

Tamberav

Well-Known Member
View Badges
Joined
Jul 4, 2014
Messages
901
Reaction score
1,168
Location
Wauwatosa, WI
I get headaches and a bad cough when fragging palys....not just any zoo/paly (not all are toxic) but definitely the ones known to harbor a lot of toxins. I got rid of my purple death paly because I was sick of feeling sick.
 

truperc

Member
View Badges
Joined
Jan 3, 2017
Messages
21
Reaction score
9
I touched some captain america paly's in my tank and ended up rubbing one of my eyes. couple hours later my eye was burning. Into the ER with a Morgan Lens for a half hour (this isn't fun). Went to the ophthalmologist the next day to get drops. She confirmed that it was paly toxin from the small holes burned in my cornea. I am glad I didn't wait any longer to go to the ER! When I read that Stevegrant had to have a cornea transplant i count myself as very lucky.
 
Last edited:

Brew12

Electrical Gru
View Badges
Joined
Aug 14, 2016
Messages
20,303
Reaction score
49,951
Location
Decatur, AL
curious , could some people be allergic to paly's/zoo's ? I have touched them while moving their rock or frag plug with no issues.
Palytoxins aren't created by paly's or zoa's. They are created by a dinoflagellate that is eaten and concentrated by the corals. In order for a paly to have the toxin it needs to have been exposed to that dinoflagellate AND be of a type to concentrate it.
This means you can have 2 otherwise identical paly's, one that is toxic and one that is not.
 
Top Shelf Aquatics

scardall

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Oct 23, 2007
Messages
2,214
Reaction score
1,230
Location
Cocoa, Florida
Palytoxins aren't created by paly's or zoa's. They are created by a dinoflagellate that is eaten and concentrated by the corals. In order for a paly to have the toxin it needs to have been exposed to that dinoflagellate AND be of a type to concentrate it.
This means you can have 2 otherwise identical paly's, one that is toxic and one that is not.
Thank you. Those facts explains alot for me. I wonder if these toxins would be released naturally without any phisical outside influence by us?
 

tony'stank

Active Member
View Badges
Joined
Jul 21, 2012
Messages
179
Reaction score
197
Location
Michigan
I was redoing the aquascape . I placed all the live rock in saltwater in a kiddie pool on the outdoor patio. There were a lot of green zoas
on the live rock. There was no heater in the kiddie pool and the the zoas must have gotten stressed as the water cooled. My dog drank some of the water. She started vomiting and died very quickly
 

Brew12

Electrical Gru
View Badges
Joined
Aug 14, 2016
Messages
20,303
Reaction score
49,951
Location
Decatur, AL
Thank you. Those facts explains alot for me. I wonder if these toxins would be released naturally without any phisical outside influence by us?
I have no idea. The science on palytoxins has been advancing quite rapidly in the last 3 or 4 years and much of the previously accepted information has been proven wrong.
The only thing I can tell you for sure is that I take precautions when working with all of my zoa's.
 

Ross Petersen

Active Member
View Badges
Joined
May 25, 2019
Messages
157
Reaction score
72
Location
Vancouver BC
@Ross Petersen

IMO, Extremely irresponsible to have any palys in a high school.

If word got out that ingesting only one polyp would probably kill you.... I could see a possibility of one student getting one polyp from the tank and sneaking into someone's lunch sandwich that they hate and want to see die.

Immaturity and peer pressure and social status are fueling unpopular bullied kids to do some very stupid things....acting out in ways like never before.



.
Absolutely agree. I'll only be purchasing corals that are within reasonable safety consideration - definitely no Palys.
@Ross Petersen

IMO, Extremely irresponsible to have any palys in a high school.

If word got out that ingesting only one polyp would probably kill you.... I could see a possibility of one student getting one polyp from the tank and sneaking into someone's lunch sandwich that they hate and want to see die.

Immaturity and peer pressure and social status are fueling unpopular bullied kids to do some very stupid things....acting out in ways like never before.



.
No Palys for sure. I just need to discern if some Anthozoas are safe. Seems to be a grey area...
 

ducati1212

Member
View Badges
Joined
Jul 6, 2019
Messages
87
Reaction score
59
I avoided them for this reason. I dont really like the look anyway and there are plenty of other corals out there.

Im also more of a fish guy with corals than a coral guy with fish so its not a huge loss for me.
 
Best reef aquarium LED lighting

RomoFL

Active Member
View Badges
Joined
Sep 14, 2018
Messages
203
Reaction score
277
Location
Boynton Beach
I have paly which hitchhiked on my live rock and also a small group of zoas I bought from LFS.. worst I’ve experienced was a tingly on my arm and a slight itch. I guess I am lucky. The palys have since gone dormant thanks to cyano.
 

DxMarinefish

Member
View Badges
Joined
May 18, 2019
Messages
19
Reaction score
13
Can Palytoxin be released into the atmosphere and thus into the room as part of the water surface agitation?

For example, a condition may arise where corals with paly's can become stressed (the reefer has not physically messed with them), and they release toxin, which then becomes part of the air/moisture in the room.

I have some Zoas, and with two small kids i don't want to risk it.

Usually i rarely mess with the tank and I always use gloves.

Just seems like Russian roulette to me and I don't really need to have them.
 

2mk

Member
View Badges
Joined
Apr 27, 2019
Messages
39
Reaction score
12
HI everyone! I have join R2R for a while and this is my first post. Hearing about paly toxins for the first time after keeping a 35g reef tank for close to 6 years (inherited an abandoned tank from my nephew due to lack of interest) is a shock/surprise to me. My favorite coral has always been Zoanthids due to its wide range of colors, but I was never really succesfull in keeping a colony for more than 6 months except for one.

Currently my tanks (55g Aquaoen & 35g Red Sea conbine into one sump) are dominated with Hammers, followed by Frog Spawns that I had kept during this time. My other corals are 2 Shrooms, a few small mid size Leather Coral, and on colony of Paly/Zoanthids.

Usually my fingers felt swollen and tingly painful especially when my fingers sustain minor cuts caused by my live rock sharp protrusions.

Long story short, I have had at least 2 instances before that I felt not well for a few days after sticking my bare hands in the tank to reposition my corals. The worst case was 3 days of headaches, numb fingers, minor breathing difficulty as far as I can remember.

That one time was caused positively by me touching my leather coral.

My question is, are all corals toxic? Any thoughts on this topic? Anyone heard of bad health effects, or developing health issues such as heart problems or others associated with long term exposure to corals in general? I am really concerned. Any inputs anyone?

Is the below item really toxic? is it a Paly or Zoanthids?
IMG_1640.JPG
 

MombasaLionfish

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Jan 20, 2019
Messages
1,159
Reaction score
1,286
HI everyone! I have join R2R for a while and this is my first post. Hearing about paly toxins for the first time after keeping a 35g reef tank for close to 6 years (inherited an abandoned tank from my nephew due to lack of interest) is a shock/surprise to me. My favorite coral has always been Zoanthids due to its wide range of colors, but I was never really succesfull in keeping a colony for more than 6 months except for one.

Currently my tanks (55g Aquaoen & 35g Red Sea conbine into one sump) are dominated with Hammers, followed by Frog Spawns that I had kept during this time. My other corals are 2 Shrooms, a few small mid size Leather Coral, and on colony of Paly/Zoanthids.

Usually my fingers felt swollen and tingly painful especially when my fingers sustain minor cuts caused by my live rock sharp protrusions.

Long story short, I have had at least 2 instances before that I felt not well for a few days after sticking my bare hands in the tank to reposition my corals. The worst case was 3 days of headaches, numb fingers, minor breathing difficulty as far as I can remember.

That one time was caused positively by me touching my leather coral.

My question is, are all corals toxic? Any thoughts on this topic? Anyone heard of bad health effects, or developing health issues such as heart problems or others associated with long term exposure to corals in general? I am really concerned. Any inputs anyone?

Is the below item really toxic? is it a Paly or Zoanthids?
IMG_1640.JPG
It is possible to grow corals in you blood. Although it is very painful. I heard a story once were someone was in the ocean and she scraped her knee on a coral. A few hours later her knee was swollen and very painful. They figured out she was growing corals in her blood.
 

Where do you go in case of a real reef tank emergency?

  • Me, myself and I

    Votes: 133 41.6%
  • Local Friend

    Votes: 30 9.4%
  • Reef2Reef

    Votes: 130 40.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 27 8.4%

Online statistics

Members online
2,299
Guests online
5,265
Total visitors
7,564
Top