100 PAR okay for Dersa clam?

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I’ve read and heard they need around 200 PAR. I’m keeping my Dersa clam in an LPS tank, and those numbers are only at the top of the rocks. Will it be okay long term? The tank is very turbid with organic food to filter feed on.
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Tridacna clams get like 1% of their energy needs from filter feeding. It is debatable if feeding them is even helpful (as in most cases, people are "supplemental" feeding them to compensate). James Fatheree has an excellent book on tridacna clams, worth a read. They thrive on very high light--you can't give them too much light. You might try a Kessil LED with 30 degree reflector to essentially put a spotlight on your clam. Might work.
 

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i‘ve got a mixed reef with mostly lps and I keep the par near the bottom in the middle around 200. You can ramp the PAR a bit. Here’s the PAR readings. I’ve got torches and Gonis in much higher par than that
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I see that you keep your Deresa in some sort of a craddle-move clam up, built a platform higher on the rocks and put clam there.
 

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200+ PAR for A baby, and more as they grow. I keep having to say this: mass increases at the cubic root whereas surface area increases at the square root. Not exact for clams, but closer than not. Therefore, the larger they are, the more light they may require.
 

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No way would I keep one at 100 par. I killed clams before getting a par meter.
My derasa that I have now is on the bottom and getting 300 par and my maxima 350 par. They are thriving. Placing one under 100 par is just setting yourself up for failure and will end in the death of a clam. IMO
 
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Thanks for the input! I’m new to clams. Mostly prefer coral but I couldn’t turn down a good deal. I’ll make sure to get this baby under 200 PAR with a Kessil lense. I have an extra a360x that will be perfect for this.
 
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i‘ve got a mixed reef with mostly lps and I keep the par near the bottom in the middle around 200. You can ramp the PAR a bit. Here’s the PAR readings. I’ve got torches and Gonis in much higher par than that
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Interesting, is there any benefit you’ve seen to keeping your Gonis under higher light intensity?
My tank is primarily Goniopora (7 at the moment) and Hammers, I’m nervous to go that high as I just don’t want to cause problems.

I’m actually plumbing a 20G cube into my 160G now as a side tank to do something else with, I may put my clam in there and that can be his tank.
 

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Interesting, is there any benefit you’ve seen to keeping your Gonis under higher light intensity?
My tank is primarily Goniopora (7 at the moment) and Hammers, I’m nervous to go that high as I just don’t want to cause problems.

I’m actually plumbing a 20G cube into my 160G now as a side tank to do something else with, I may put my clam in there and that can be his tank.
Well they certainly don’t seem to mind it for the most part. It partially seems to depend which vendor I’ve gotten them from. These is are the ones at 279 par
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Thanks for the input! I’m new to clams. Mostly prefer coral but I couldn’t turn down a good deal. I’ll make sure to get this baby under 200 PAR with a Kessil lense. I have an extra a360x that will be perfect for this.
Careful when you add the reflector lens to the a360x, it concentrates PAR pretty drastically, so make sure to start low and acclimate up. Clam will thank you for it! And derasas get so big it will fill in that "spotlight" space, no problem.
 
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Well they certainly don’t seem to mind it for the most part. It partially seems to depend which vendor I’ve gotten them from. These is are the ones at 279 par
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I’m pretty sure I have that same pink Goni, one of my favorites. I think it was used to higher par it was kept in an SPS tank. May try to move it up a bit and see how it does.
 

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Interesting, is there any benefit you’ve seen to keeping your Gonis under higher light intensity?
My tank is primarily Goniopora (7 at the moment) and Hammers, I’m nervous to go that high as I just don’t want to cause problems.

I’m actually plumbing a 20G cube into my 160G now as a side tank to do something else with, I may put my clam in there and that can be his tank.
No. Because Goniopora are commercially aquacultured for the medical field, there is a lot of research about them. They only need ~90 PAR in the violet/blue spectrum for 6 hours a day. Anything else doesn't affect growth. That being said, mine are under 200+ just due to the nature of my aquarium. It doesn't harm them, it just doesn't lead to an increase in growth.
 

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Careful when you add the reflector lens to the a360x, it concentrates PAR pretty drastically, so make sure to start low and acclimate up. Clam will thank you for it! And derasas get so big it will fill in that "spotlight" space, no problem.
Clams don't need acclimation. They're farmed under direct sunlight at 1000-2000+ PAR, hobbyists are unlikely to hit that. They also self acclimate if need be by reducing mantle extension and/or producing more light blocking pigments.
 

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We need to change the way we think about lighting clams in terms of numbers, just like water parameters have a wide (acceptable) range to create good chemistry, clams have a wide range of intensity in which they can grow. Whenever I see a number thrown out in regards to lighting clams, I kind of cringe, because it sends the message that it's the goal and the clam will grow just fine. This isn't the case at all. We need to stop thinking of bare minimums when lighting clams, we need to think about health. Clams receive well over 100% of their nutrition from their mantle (simplified version), which is driven by light. So why would you barely give it what it needs? That's like putting 2 gallons of gas in your car, expecting to make a 200 mile trip. The par numbers that most people read are minimums and not the end goal. Ultimately, the clam will tell you if you have enough light or not. If you don't see new shell growth in a matter of days, you simply do not have enough light. All clams (especially smaller ones) will have active growth margins that you can visible see and measure over the course of a few days.
To give an example, I brought home a derasa that was around 3" from a LFS (traded some duncan frags for it, win, win), the clam looked healthy, but there wasn't any growth on the shell. I told the employees that they needed to give their clams more light (as most of the clams barely had any new growth). They kind of shrugged it off, as they said the lights looked really bright to them :rolleyes: and we all know that 3 XR15s are plenty of light for a shallow 4' frag tank :rolleyes::rolleyes:
After putting the clam in my 10g nano, it only took a couple days and it grew 2mm. So the numbers you see should be starting points, not the end goal. Feed your clams plenty of light, lots of light and they will grow and be happy, healthy clams.
 
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We need to change the way we think about lighting clams in terms of numbers, just like water parameters have a wide (acceptable) range to create good chemistry, clams have a wide range of intensity in which they can grow. Whenever I see a number thrown out in regards to lighting clams, I kind of cringe, because it sends the message that it's the goal and the clam will grow just fine. This isn't the case at all. We need to stop thinking of bare minimums when lighting clams, we need to think about health. Clams receive well over 100% of their nutrition from their mantle (simplified version), which is driven by light. So why would you barely give it what it needs? That's like putting 2 gallons of gas in your car, expecting to make a 200 mile trip. The par numbers that most people read are minimums and not the end goal. Ultimately, the clam will tell you if you have enough light or not. If you don't see new shell growth in a matter of days, you simply do not have enough light. All clams (especially smaller ones) will have active growth margins that you can visible see and measure over the course of a few days.
To give an example, I brought home a derasa that was around 3" from a LFS (traded some duncan frags for it, win, win), the clam looked healthy, but there wasn't any growth on the shell. I told the employees that they needed to give their clams more light (as most of the clams barely had any new growth). They kind of shrugged it off, as they said the lights looked really bright to them :rolleyes: and we all know that 3 XR15s are plenty of light for a shallow 4' frag tank :rolleyes::rolleyes:
After putting the clam in my 10g nano, it only took a couple days and it grew 2mm. So the numbers you see should be starting points, not the end goal. Feed your clams plenty of light, lots of light and they will grow and be happy, healthy clams.
Thanks for explaining it this way. I will be doing more research on clams, as I’ve found out I don’t know much.
I want my little clam to get as much as he needs, which sounds like as much as I can give it.
I moved it to an empty 20 gallon cube I’ve been planning on plumbing into my main tank for some time. It’s in about 250 PAR now but I’m going to move that closer to 1000 this weekend. I have another Kessil a360x I’ll add and see if it boosts it, and an AI Hydra 32HD I’ve been using as a refugium light. My refugium is getting 1200+ PAR at the surface so maybe I’ll just go with the Hydra.
 

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Thanks for explaining it this way. I will be doing more research on clams, as I’ve found out I don’t know much.
I want my little clam to get as much as he needs, which sounds like as much as I can give it.
I moved it to an empty 20 gallon cube I’ve been planning on plumbing into my main tank for some time. It’s in about 250 PAR now but I’m going to move that closer to 1000 this weekend. I have another Kessil a360x I’ll add and see if it boosts it, and an AI Hydra 32HD I’ve been using as a refugium light. My refugium is getting 1200+ PAR at the surface so maybe I’ll just go with the Hydra.
I don’t think you need that much power. I would start at 250+ and see how the clam does. If you don’t see new growth in a couple days, increase by 50-100 micro moles. Also, but James Fatherree’s book on clams from Amazon.
 
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I don’t think you need that much power. I would start at 250+ and see how the clam does. If you don’t see new growth in a couple days, increase by 50-100 micro moles. Also, but James Fatherree’s book on clams from Amazon.
My clam has been happy and open under those lights so I’m not changing anything for the time being. I did add the 35 degree reflector though, man does it do it’s job.

Thanks for the book suggestion. Clams are incredibly interesting, I may have to make room for a few more lol.
 

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My clam has been happy and open under those lights so I’m not changing anything for the time being. I did add the 35 degree reflector though, man does it do it’s job.

Thanks for the book suggestion. Clams are incredibly interesting, I may have to make room for a few more lol.
As long as you see new growth on the shell, you’re good to go. A clam that small, you should see a good growth margin.
 

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