14 day Copper QT protocol adequate on Captive Bred fish?

[Ziggy17]

I confirmed with the store that the CB fish are on a separate system than the WC. They did confirm that there hasn’t been any ick outbreaks 8n the CB system. I buy from Candy Coral and they are always quite honest with me.
I’m wondering if I can just go with a 14 day copper protocol at 2.5 ppm using Copper Power instead of 30 days. I thought about a doing observation only QT, but I thought 14 days is abetter option. I have to go away for 5 days at the end of the month so I’m a bit weary asking my wife to maintain the QT process in my absence.
I understand 30 days is best practice, but given the fact they are CB, perhaps 14 is adequate.

The fish are Bengaii Cardinals and yellow line cleaner fish and YWG.

Thoughts?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I confirmed with the store that the CB fish are on a separate system than the WC. They did confirm that there hasn’t been any ick outbreaks 8n the CB system. I buy from Candy Coral and they are always quite honest with me.
I’m wondering if I can just go with a 14 day copper protocol at 2.5 ppm using Copper Power instead of 30 days. I thought about a doing observation only QT, but I thought 14 days is abetter option. I have to go away for 5 days at the end of the month so I’m a bit weary asking my wife to maintain the QT process in my absence.
I understand 30 days is best practice, but given the fact they are CB, perhaps 14 is adequate.

The fish are Bengaii Cardinals and yellow line cleaner fish and YWG.

Thoughts?

Assume any new acquisition has something and treat for 30 days at 2.25 instead of 2.5ppm. If you want to speed up the treatment period, you can go 21 days at 81 degrees but i advice going the 30 days.
Problem with observation, is if fish has something such as ich, flukes, etc, by the time you notice issue, the given disease has taken control of the fish and now you have to go the 30 days anyways and could have been preventable with standard quarantining

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I confirmed with the store that the CB fish are on a separate system than the WC. They did confirm that there hasn’t been any ick outbreaks 8n the CB system. I buy from Candy Coral and they are always quite honest with me.
I’m wondering if I can just go with a 14 day copper protocol at 2.5 ppm using Copper Power instead of 30 days. I thought about a doing observation only QT, but I thought 14 days is abetter option. I have to go away for 5 days at the end of the month so I’m a bit weary asking my wife to maintain the QT process in my absence.
I understand 30 days is best practice, but given the fact they are CB, perhaps 14 is adequate.

The fish are Bengaii Cardinals and yellow line cleaner fish and YWG.

Thoughts?

I think you should decide between no copper or full 30 days. 14 days doesn’t buy you much over no copper at all.

An argument can be made that no copper at all for captive raised fish not exposed to WC fish is acceptable. Running a short copper treatment adds stress, not from the copper, but rather, from being housed in a bare QT with possible ammonia issues.

If you are going to accept that stress, then go 30 days and add prazi afterwards.

 

[Ziggy17]

I think you should decide between no copper or full 30 days. 14 days doesn’t buy you much over no copper at all.

An argument can be made that no copper at all for captive raised fish not exposed to WC fish is acceptable. Running a short copper treatment adds stress, not from the copper, but rather, from being housed in a bare QT with possible ammonia issues.

If you are going to accept that stress, then go 30 days and add prazi afterwards.

Copy.

All we can get is Fluke X here in Canada. Is that a decent substitute? It has prazi in it.

 

[skiracer8148]

Most captive bred facilities are parasite free as long as you get it directly from them not a LFS.

 

[christinna77]

I think you should decide between no copper or full 30 days. 14 days doesn’t buy you much over no copper at all.

An argument can be made that no copper at all for captive raised fish not exposed to WC fish is acceptable. Running a short copper treatment adds stress, not from the copper, but rather, from being housed in a bare QT with possible ammonia issues.

If you are going to accept that stress, then go 30 days and add prazi afterwards.

Copy.

All we can get is Fluke X here in Canada. Is that a decent substitute? It has prazi in it.

I'm in Canada too. I was able to get General Cure and Prazipro (both work for flukes) off of Amazon.com delivered just fine.

 

[Ziggy17]

I'm in Canada too. I was able to get General Cure and Prazipro (both work for flukes) off of Amazon.com delivered just fine.

Appreciate that info.
I ordered 2 bottles, hopefully they get through customs ok

 

[kboogie]

I’ve been doing a lot research into the scientific justification of a 14-day copper QT and so far my research has shown that 14 day treatment is not adequate. It appears the foundation for might come from a measurable decrease in the amount of parasites but not the virtual elimination of the parasites which is what a 30 copper QT gives you.

 

[Ziggy17]

I’ve been doing a lot research into the scientific justification of a 14-day copper QT and so far my research has shown that 14 day treatment is not adequate. It appears the foundation for might come from a measurable decrease in the amount of parasites but not the virtual elimination of the parasites which is what a 30 copper QT gives you.

Yes. I forgot to include the tank transfer after 14 days in the original post but I think I’m just going to do the full 30 then prazi as JH advised.

 

[Ziggy17]

I think you should decide between no copper or full 30 days. 14 days doesn’t buy you much over no copper at all.

An argument can be made that no copper at all for captive raised fish not exposed to WC fish is acceptable. Running a short copper treatment adds stress, not from the copper, but rather, from being housed in a bare QT with possible ammonia issues.

If you are going to accept that stress, then go 30 days and add prazi afterwards.

Hi Jay,

So the 30 day copper treatment is done tmw. No fish has shown any signs of flukes. Do we still dose prazi? Can fluke eggs stay unhatched for 30 days at 78 degrees or the fish not show any signs in that time?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi Jay,

So the 30 day copper treatment is done tmw. No fish has shown any signs of flukes. Do we still dose prazi? Can fluke eggs stay unhatched for 30 days at 78 degrees or the fish not show any signs in that time?

The problem is that low level fluke infections have no symptoms. Then, if the infection becomes acute, fish will begin to go downhill.

It only takes one egg to start an infection from egg laying species.

I’d go through a 2x prazi treatment.

 

[Ziggy17]

The problem is that low level fluke infections have no symptoms. Then, if the infection becomes acute, fish will begin to go downhill.

It only takes one egg to start an infection from egg laying species.

I’d go through a 2x prazi treatment.

Copy. Thanks for the explanation. I’ll definitely do it the prazi.