I think you're mixing up the conversations - or perhaps I am. But - I believe I stated the following:See how easy it is to debate things when we get to make proofs outside of aquarium links? if we had to stick with solely tanks we're in-process working, like what I'm doing with link updates, there'd be a lot less arguing and a lot more outcome analysis going on.
I'll keep doing the actual jobs, you guys keep not doing them but posting with certainty how my cycling science isn't workingor is about to fail someone.
1. A tank transfer whereby the same rock and fish etc are transferred to another larger tank should not have any issues, barring some kind of mistake. Thus - for this type of tank, I would highly doubt there are many or any examples showing an issue with ammonia. I don't see any debate there?
2. A new tank though it looks 'fine' may have ammonia levels that don't outright kill the fish, but damage can been seen in various tissues at sublethal levels. Unless you have done histologic sampling, there is no way for you to suggest that thats 'not true'. So - I don't see a debate here either?
3. The levels of ammonia that will outright kill fish are higher than most people are aware. I don't think there is a debate here either?
4. The methods described as 'new cycling science' have been used for decades. There really is no debate here - though, I guess it's possible that some people are not aware.
5. Unless there are signs of a tank crash - there would be very few instances where in an established tank where I would routinely test ammonia.
So - what exactly is the debate? Doesn't it come down to personal preference and the comfort level of the tank owner? IMHO - periodic testing of ammonia (total ammonia) - and using an online calculator which adjusts for temp, ph and salinity to determine free NH3 - is a cheap way to insure that your fish, etc are less likely to have issues with ammonia (whether that issue is caused by a new aquarist overfeeding, overstocking, or something else). A Seachem alert badge is also an option.
I guess I would say - that a lot of people have put a lot of thought and effort into their posts - In the interest of discussion, I think many points have been brought up that are valid. However, I don't get the logic of your comment stating 'you'll keep doing the jobs'. Yet at the same time, suggesting that there is no job to do?