Added a tang and now my tank is slowly crashing

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks!

At the moment the eels, wrasse, and the goby are all acting completely normal. Fed the eels today and they all ate well. It seems the flat bodied fish are showing symptoms. The swallowtail angel has come out and to eat since this morning but perhaps less enthusiastically then normal.

Would the eels handle copper power? I haven’t treated yet but am planning to early tomorrow.

No copper for eels- General cure

 

[Slocke]

No copper for eels- General cure

Prazipro?

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

Sorry to hear about the tank!

I'll leave the diagnosis and treatment to the experts, but for copper removal:

If the rock has been exposed to copper, I've heard from a few different sources (including some in the two threads linked in the quote below) that using cuprisorb and poly filters can absorb/remove enough of the copper to make the rocks reef/invert safe again (as always, YMMV, but that's what I've heard):

I’ve heard similar to lion king’s comment from others: water changes with cuprisorb and poly filters seems to work (at least in some cases).

Some threads with examples:

has anyone ever treated display tank with copper and recorded long term issues after the fact?

im forced into treating my display with cupramine and was wondering if anyone on here has in detail recorded a daily log of how hard it was to stabilize copper to proper levels in a display tank/how long it took to remove it/how they removed it/what issues they face long term due to doing so. if...

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Copper treatment in a DT, Documented

Hello everyone. I have Ich in my DT. I tried using ich-x which worked well when it was in use, but the day I stopped dosing it, the ich showed back up. because my tank is very new, I have no corals yet, and very few inverts at all. I decided after reading the thread by @Marc88 , I would make my...

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[Jay Hemdal]

Thanks!

At the moment the eels, wrasse, and the goby are all acting completely normal. Fed the eels today and they all ate well. It seems the flat bodied fish are showing symptoms. The swallowtail angel has come out and to eat since this morning but perhaps less enthusiastically then normal.

Would the eels handle copper power? I haven’t treated yet but am planning to early tomorrow.

The eels will likely go off feed in copper, but they can go a long time with no food if they are in good body condition going in.
However, I wonder if the flukes are the primary issue? If so, what about trying General Cure, dosed twice, 7 days apart? You could also use copper power and Prazipro, but there will be some stress on the wrasses with that combo.

Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

General cure has some prazi content why recommended

 

[Slocke]

Well I added a dose of prazipro after a big water change. I already had a bottle. Figure out next step tomorrow

 

[Slocke]

Swallowtail was dead this morning. Acting healthy last night but dead this morning.

 

[Slocke]

Foxface, hogfish, melanarus, regal angel, and clownfish are all in copper QT. Couldn’t catch the others yet

 

[Slocke]

The Foxface got really badly caught up in the net. Hope it’s ok and I’m glad no one got stung

 

[Slocke]

Should I add some of this? I added a lot of rock but I’m not sure it’s enough?

 

[JayM]

Should I add some of this? I added a lot of rock but I’m not sure it’s enough?

Not sure if there’s a definitive answer, but if you’re using copper, ammonia removers aren’t generally recommended. I don’t recall exactly how (chemistry is a foreign language to me), but it has the potential to change the copper in such a way that it’s more toxic than it otherwise would be.

 

[MnFish1]

Not sure if there’s a definitive answer, but if you’re using copper, ammonia removers aren’t generally recommended. I don’t recall exactly how (chemistry is a foreign language to me), but it has the potential to change the copper in such a way that it’s more toxic than it otherwise would be.

No reason to add - unless you have one - you need to be checking copper and ammonia levels daily. And the cure for those are water changes

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Should I add some of this? I added a lot of rock but I’m not sure it’s enough?

Not sure what’s in it, but it is probably a strong reducing agent. The third line says it removes copper. It won’t remove copper of course, but it will sequester it, so don’t use this with copper meds.
Jay

 

[Slocke]

The eels will likely go off feed in copper, but they can go a long time with no food if they are in good body condition going in.
However, I wonder if the flukes are the primary issue? If so, what about trying General Cure, dosed twice, 7 days apart? You could also use copper power and Prazipro, but there will be some stress on the wrasses with that combo.

Jay

API General cure?

I think Im going to give everything copper. I’m worried this will spread to my other tank if I don’t. Two of my eels are fat and healthy. The third has never acted very healthy since the day I got it but has kept going for 18 months. At this point I wonder if they are naturally skinny, Myrichthys colubrinus fyi.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

API General cure?

I think Im going to give everything copper. I’m worried this will spread to my other tank if I don’t. Two of my eels are fat and healthy. The third has never acted very healthy since the day I got it but has kept going for 18 months. At this point I wonder if they are naturally skinny, Myrichthys colubrinus fyi.

I’ve never run that species through copper, so I can’t project what might happen. I have run garden eels through coppersafe with no issues.
Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

Foxface, hogfish, melanarus, regal angel, and clownfish are all in copper QT. Couldn’t catch the others yet

Copper(cupramine) or coppersafe and at what treatment level?
Some of the fish are not as tolerant as others and you may need to balance the treatment level that agrees with all in quarantine in particular hogfish and wrasse.

 

[MnFish1]

The fact is - Ich needs a level - I would not vary the level for the copper tolerating fish as a total. Instead - the copper sensitive fish could be treated one way - and the others with the more aggressive protocol. JMHO

 

[Slocke]

I’ve never run that species through copper, so I can’t project what might happen. I have run garden eels through coppersafe with no issues.
Jay

Well same family so that’s something. It just ate a ton of salmon so shouldn’t go hungry at least.

Copper(cupramine) or coppersafe and at what treatment level?
Some of the fish are not as tolerant as others and you may need to balance the treatment level that agrees with all in quarantine in particular hogfish and wrasse.

Copper power at just under recommended dose (1 fl oz in 25 gallons) which should get me to 2-2.5ppm . I’m not trusting my api test
so I’ve got a Hanna Cu test coming in tomorrow.
I heard Copper Power is better for sensitive fish? None of the wrasse are of the more sensitive genera though.

The fact is - Ich needs a level - I would not vary the level for the copper tolerating fish as a total. Instead - the copper sensitive fish could be treated one way - and the others with the more aggressive protocol. JMHO

Thanks. At this point I think I’m just going to go for it and get copper up to the right level.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Well same family so that’s something. It just ate a ton of salmon so shouldn’t go hungry at least.

Copper power at just under recommended dose (1 fl oz in 25 gallons) which should get me to 2-2.5ppm . I’m not trusting my api test
so I’ve got a Hanna Cu test coming in tomorrow.
I heard Copper Power is better for sensitive fish? None of the wrasse are of the more sensitive genera though.

Thanks. At this point I think I’m just going to go for it and get copper up to the right level.

Api will give you some type of range but Hanna should help pinpoint. Do not if possible run low to the point that treatment level is allowing disease to gain control of the fish. Copper Power is chelated and safest form

 

[Slocke]

Regal is not looking good. Lethargic and sitting at the bottom of the QT. This one will be hard to take as it was a rescue with HLLE and I really bonded with it as recovered.