Advice on post-copper tx options

[Aquarius74]

Newbie here looking for some advice. I just completed 30 days of copper power treatment for ich in a clownfish in a bare bottom/ no rock QT tank. I made sure dosage remained at therapeutic levels for entire 30 days. I now plan to begin 2-4 weeks of observation as many people seem to recommend post-treatment. I am considering 2 options and would appreciate recommendations on the best one:
1) conduct large water change in QT tank (am also using cupramine to remove copper) and leave fish in that tank for observation. That tank has some biomedia in it, but I am not sure if or how much beneficial bacteria will have survived copper treatment. This tank has a very basic setup, with a hang on filter, basic heater, etc. This is my dedicated hospital tank, intended to only be set up and running as needed.
2) move the fish to a second QT/observation tank that I just set up within the past week. That tank is also bare bottom but has some rock from my DT to help establish beneficial bacteria, but no sand and no other fish yet. I have been dosing that new tank with Microbacter and “feeding” that tank a small amount of food to help keep the bacteria going. This tank is an IM AIO and has a nicer overall setup, with better filtration, heater, etc than the very basic QT tank. I was planning to add a hearty fish to that tank soon to help with the cycle, but I am not sure if this would be too much for the clown that just completed copper treatment.

My question might come down to this: is there likely much difference between the two tanks in terms of beneficial bacteria populations to help the fish do well during these next few weeks of observation? With either one, I will continue to monitor ammonia and other parameters closely. I would appreciate any recommendations.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Newbie here looking for some advice. I just completed 30 days of copper power treatment for ich in a clownfish in a bare bottom/ no rock QT tank. I made sure dosage remained at therapeutic levels for entire 30 days. I now plan to begin 2-4 weeks of observation as many people seem to recommend post-treatment. I am considering 2 options and would appreciate recommendations on the best one:
1) conduct large water change in QT tank (am also using cupramine to remove copper) and leave fish in that tank for observation. That tank has some biomedia in it, but I am not sure if or how much beneficial bacteria will have survived copper treatment. This tank has a very basic setup, with a hang on filter, basic heater, etc. This is my dedicated hospital tank, intended to only be set up and running as needed.
2) move the fish to a second QT/observation tank that I just set up within the past week. That tank is also bare bottom but has some rock from my DT to help establish beneficial bacteria, but no sand and no other fish yet. I have been dosing that new tank with Microbacter and “feeding” that tank a small amount of food to help keep the bacteria going. This tank is an IM AIO and has a nicer overall setup, with better filtration, heater, etc than the very basic QT tank. I was planning to add a hearty fish to that tank soon to help with the cycle, but I am not sure if this would be too much for the clown that just completed copper treatment.

My question might come down to this: is there likely much difference between the two tanks in terms of beneficial bacteria populations to help the fish do well during these next few weeks of observation? With either one, I will continue to monitor ammonia and other parameters closely. I would appreciate any recommendations.

Do water change as planned and in lieu of observation, treat tank with runy Rally pro which is very safem even for coral and inverts and addresses many clown issues. Additionally you can do prazi although they rarely get flukes. If doing prazi, dose at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval lasting for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite.

 

[Aquarius74]

Newbie here looking for some advice. I just completed 30 days of copper power treatment for ich in a clownfish in a bare bottom/ no rock QT tank. I made sure dosage remained at therapeutic levels for entire 30 days. I now plan to begin 2-4 weeks of observation as many people seem to recommend post-treatment. I am considering 2 options and would appreciate recommendations on the best one:
1) conduct large water change in QT tank (am also using cupramine to remove copper) and leave fish in that tank for observation. That tank has some biomedia in it, but I am not sure if or how much beneficial bacteria will have survived copper treatment. This tank has a very basic setup, with a hang on filter, basic heater, etc. This is my dedicated hospital tank, intended to only be set up and running as needed.
2) move the fish to a second QT/observation tank that I just set up within the past week. That tank is also bare bottom but has some rock from my DT to help establish beneficial bacteria, but no sand and no other fish yet. I have been dosing that new tank with Microbacter and “feeding” that tank a small amount of food to help keep the bacteria going. This tank is an IM AIO and has a nicer overall setup, with better filtration, heater, etc than the very basic QT tank. I was planning to add a hearty fish to that tank soon to help with the cycle, but I am not sure if this would be too much for the clown that just completed copper treatment.

My question might come down to this: is there likely much difference between the two tanks in terms of beneficial bacteria populations to help the fish do well during these next few weeks of observation? With either one, I will continue to monitor ammonia and other parameters closely. I would appreciate any recommendations.

Do water change as planned and in lieu of observation, treat tank with runy Rally pro which is very safem even for coral and inverts and addresses many clown issues. Additionally you can do prazi although they rarely get flukes. If doing prazi, dose at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval lasting for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite.

Thanks!

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Newbie here looking for some advice. I just completed 30 days of copper power treatment for ich in a clownfish in a bare bottom/ no rock QT tank. I made sure dosage remained at therapeutic levels for entire 30 days. I now plan to begin 2-4 weeks of observation as many people seem to recommend post-treatment. I am considering 2 options and would appreciate recommendations on the best one:
1) conduct large water change in QT tank (am also using cupramine to remove copper) and leave fish in that tank for observation. That tank has some biomedia in it, but I am not sure if or how much beneficial bacteria will have survived copper treatment. This tank has a very basic setup, with a hang on filter, basic heater, etc. This is my dedicated hospital tank, intended to only be set up and running as needed.
2) move the fish to a second QT/observation tank that I just set up within the past week. That tank is also bare bottom but has some rock from my DT to help establish beneficial bacteria, but no sand and no other fish yet. I have been dosing that new tank with Microbacter and “feeding” that tank a small amount of food to help keep the bacteria going. This tank is an IM AIO and has a nicer overall setup, with better filtration, heater, etc than the very basic QT tank. I was planning to add a hearty fish to that tank soon to help with the cycle, but I am not sure if this would be too much for the clown that just completed copper treatment.

My question might come down to this: is there likely much difference between the two tanks in terms of beneficial bacteria populations to help the fish do well during these next few weeks of observation? With either one, I will continue to monitor ammonia and other parameters closely. I would appreciate any recommendations.

If the DT has no chance of having ich in it, then option 2 would work. However, you said you were using the QT to treat the clownfish for ich, were they ever in the DT? If so, stick with option 1.

You might also consider treating the fish with praziquantel during the 2 weeks observation - if they were new to you, and thus might be harboring flukes.

Dosing Praziquantel (PZQ)

Using Praziquantel (PZQ) to treat flukes Overview In the early 1990’s, a researcher at the New York Aquarium published a paper on using Praziquantel (PZQ) to help control flukes, a parasitic flatworm. Also known as monogenean trematodes, these fish parasites can cause significant mortality in...

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[danet888]

Since you’ve been dosing it with Microbacter and feeding a bit, the beneficial bacteria there should be more active and stable compared to the basic hospital tank that went through copper treatment. Plus, the better filtration and heater will help keep the environment more stable during observation. Just keep a close eye on water parameters, and maybe hold off on adding the new fish until you’re confident the clownfish is fully recovered.

 

[Aquarius74]

Do water change as planned and in lieu of observation, treat tank with runy Rally pro which is very safem even for coral and inverts and addresses many clown issues. Additionally you can do prazi although they rarely get flukes. If doing prazi, dose at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval lasting for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite.

Do water change as planned and in lieu of observation, treat tank with runy Rally pro which is very safem even for coral and inverts and addresses many clown issues. Additionally you can do prazi although they rarely get flukes. If doing prazi, dose at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval lasting for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite.

If the DT has no chance of having ich in it, then option 2 would work. However, you said you were using the QT to treat the clownfish for ich, were they ever in the DT? If so, stick with option 1.

You might also consider treating the fish with praziquantel during the 2 weeks observation - if they were new to you, and thus might be harboring flukes.

Dosing Praziquantel (PZQ)

Using Praziquantel (PZQ) to treat flukes Overview In the early 1990’s, a researcher at the New York Aquarium published a paper on using Praziquantel (PZQ) to help control flukes, a parasitic flatworm. Also known as monogenean trematodes, these fish parasites can cause significant mortality in...

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Thanks. No, the clown was never in the DT, which is a 100g tank that has been running since March. The clown developed ich in the first QT tank. The tank I mentioned in option 2 is a third tank, that I have set up as a transitional/observation tank before putting fish into QT. I’m just not sure if putting the clown in that tank is a good idea since it has only been running for a week.

Can praziquantel and Rally Pro be dosed simultaneously? And do you recommend the I dose these (together or separately) in the hospital tank following a water change, or in this newer observation tank I mention in option 2?

 

[Aquarius74]

Since you’ve been dosing it with Microbacter and feeding a bit, the beneficial bacteria there should be more active and stable compared to the basic hospital tank that went through copper treatment. Plus, the better filtration and heater will help keep the environment more stable during observation. Just keep a close eye on water parameters, and maybe hold off on adding the new fish until you’re confident the clownfish is fully recovered.

Thanks, I appreciate this suggestion.

 

[Aquarius74]

Do water change as planned and in lieu of observation, treat tank with runy Rally pro which is very safem even for coral and inverts and addresses many clown issues. Additionally you can do prazi although they rarely get flukes. If doing prazi, dose at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval lasting for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks. No, the clown was never in the DT, which is a 100g tank that has been running since March. The clown developed ich in the first QT tank. The tank I mentioned in option 2 is a third tank, that I have set up as a transitional/observation tank before putting fish into QT. I’m just not sure if putting the clown in that tank is a good idea since it has only been running for a week.

Can praziquantel and Rally Pro be dosed simultaneously? And do you recommend the I dose these (together or separately) in the hospital tank following a water change, or in this newer observation tank I mention in option 2?

Do not mix them and if any, I would go with Rally first which again addresses many clown issues

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thanks. No, the clown was never in the DT, which is a 100g tank that has been running since March. The clown developed ich in the first QT tank. The tank I mentioned in option 2 is a third tank, that I have set up as a transitional/observation tank before putting fish into QT. I’m just not sure if putting the clown in that tank is a good idea since it has only been running for a week.

Can praziquantel and Rally Pro be dosed simultaneously? And do you recommend the I dose these (together or separately) in the hospital tank following a water change, or in this newer observation tank I mention in option 2?

You can dose prazi and rally pro together, but they treat different issues.

Rally Pro is a pretty weak medication - I only use it as a substitute for formalin to treat brooklynella. Formalin is much better, but poses human health issues. Clownfish, especially wild caught ones, are prone to Brooklynella. Your fish are wild colored fish, but I cannot tell you if they were wild caught or captive raised. They are past the point where we typically see Brooklynella, that usually happens when fish first arrive.

 

[Aquarius74]

Do not mix them and if any, I would go with Rally first which again addresses

You can dose prazi and rally pro together, but they treat different issues.

Rally Pro is a pretty weak medication - I only use it as a substitute for formalin to treat brooklynella. Formalin is much better, but poses human health issues. Clownfish, especially wild caught ones, are prone to Brooklynella. Your fish are wild colored fish, but I cannot tell you if they were wild caught or captive raised. They are past the point where we typically see Brooklynella, that usually happens when fish first arrive.

 

[Aquarius74]

Thanks for these suggestions regarding medications. Any other thoughts on which tank is best to use for this observation and secondary treatment period, the one I mention in option 1 or the one in option 2? Neither of these are my DT, just to be very clear about that.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks for these suggestions regarding medications. Any other thoughts on which tank is best to use for this observation and secondary treatment period, the one I mention in option 1 or the one in option 2? Neither of these are my DT, just to be very clear about that.

option one

 

[Aquarius74]

option one

Got it, and thanks a lot for the advice.