Apex ATO going crazy?

[Wolters_88]

This is what I keep getting and the only thing stopping it from flooding is the floater.

 

[Wolters_88]

But here is the configuration.… what in the?

 

[Sean Clark]

I hope this helps...
There is another thread from earlier today with the same symptoms here:

https://www.reef2reef.com/members/wagtribe.164381/

 

[SuncrestReef]

When you look at the ATK's water sensors, is the upper sensor under water? It should never be we under normal circumstances and is only there as a failsafe in case the lower sensor doesn't detect the water level properly.

Do you have the anti-siphon fitting installed to prevent water from filling the sump when the pump is off?

Read my ATK tutorial for a detailed description of how the code works, hot the ATK is designed to work, and a list of troubleshooting steps:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 3: Automatic Top-Off Kit (ATK)

Part 3 of our series on learning how to program your Neptune Apex for automatic top-off in a saltwater aquarium.

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Wolters_88]

When you look at the ATK's water sensors, is the upper sensor under water? It should never be we under normal circumstances and is only there as a failsafe in case the lower sensor doesn't detect the water level properly.

Do you have the anti-siphon fitting installed to prevent water from filling the sump when the pump is off?

Read my ATK tutorial for a detailed description of how the code works, hot the ATK is designed to work, and a list of troubleshooting steps:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 3: Automatic Top-Off Kit (ATK)

Part 3 of our series on learning how to program your Neptune Apex for automatic top-off in a saltwater aquarium.

www.reef2reef.com

Yes, the water is above the top and is only stopped by the float valve. There is an anti siphon as well. As I posted it’s programmed correctly and still filling, dashing it ATO hi closed then ok.

 

[SuncrestReef]

Yes, the water is above the top and is only stopped by the float valve. There is an anti siphon as well. As I posted it’s programmed correctly and still filling, dashing it ATO hi closed then ok.

Follow the troubleshooting instructions in my tutorial to verify the optical sensors are working properly.

 

[Wolters_88]

Follow the troubleshooting instructions in my tutorial to verify the optical sensors are working properly.

They are, I removed it from the water. Etc. It’s just reading backwards. The same thing Sean posted above.

 

[SuncrestReef]

They are, I removed it from the water. Etc. It’s just reading backwards. The same thing Sean posted above.

What Sean posted above, "If ATO_Hi CLOSED Then ON", is the alarm code from the EmailAlm output:

[EmailAlm]
Set OFF
If ATK_Hi CLOSED Then ON

That is totally different than the program code on the PMUP's output that controls the pump:

[ATK_PMUP]
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If ATK_LO OPEN Then ON
If ATK_HI CLOSED Then OFF
When On > 005:00 Then OFF
Defer 000:10 Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then OFF
Min Time 060:00 Then OFF

The EmailAlm code is told to turn the alarm ON if the upper sensor is wet.

The ATK's PMUP code tells the pump to turn OFF if the upper sensor is wet, which is a failsafe if the ATK_Lo sensor fails to detect the water level.

 

[Wolters_88]

What Sean posted above, "If ATO_Hi CLOSED Then ON", is the alarm code from the EmailAlm output:

[EmailAlm]
Set OFF
If ATK_Hi CLOSED Then ON

That is totally different than the program code on the PMUP's output that controls the pump:

[ATK_PMUP]
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If ATK_LO OPEN Then ON
If ATK_HI CLOSED Then OFF
When On > 005:00 Then OFF
Defer 000:10 Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then OFF
Min Time 060:00 Then OFF

The EmailAlm code is told to turn the alarm ON if the upper sensor is wet.

The ATK's PMUP code tells the pump to turn OFF if the upper sensor is wet, which is a failsafe if the ATK_Lo sensor fails to detect the water level.

 

[Sean Clark]

My sensors are named ATO_LO and ATO_HI. Yes this is totally different from ATK_LO and ATK_HI. The naming of your sensors doesn't change the functionality of the programing. I think you have it figured out.

 

[Wolters_88]

It’s registering that it’s full and keeps trying to fill. I’m getting an alarm message saying is atk closed then ok.

 

[Sean Clark]

What Sean posted above, "If ATO_Hi CLOSED Then ON", is the alarm code from the EmailAlm output:

[EmailAlm]
Set OFF
If ATK_Hi CLOSED Then ON

Where did I post this?

 

[SuncrestReef]

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My sensors are named ATO_LO and ATO_HI. Yes this is totally different from ATK_LO and ATK_HI. The naming of your sensors doesn't change the functionality of the programing. I think you have it figured out.

Where did I post this?

In post #3 above in this thread, where you linked to someone else having a similar issue:

Apex ATO going crazy?

This is what I keep getting and the only thing stopping it from flooding is the floater.

www.reef2reef.com

 

[SuncrestReef]

It’s registering that it’s full and keeps trying to fill. I’m getting an alarm message saying is atk closed then ok.

In your screenshot, it shows the ATO_PMUP is currently OFF (set to AUTO, but current state is OFF). Are you saying the PMUP is still physically pumping water? Or are you saying the water level is still rising even though the PMUP is off?

Even if you have the anti-siphon fitting installed, have you verified it's working properly? Some people have reported that the small hole in the fitting does not allow water to leak out like it should, so it's not actually preventing a siphon, and water continues to drain into the sump.

 

[Wolters_88]

Out of the water. But it’s still filling once it’s past them. Why?

 

[Sean Clark]

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In post #3 above in this thread, where you linked to someone else having a similar issue:

Apex ATO going crazy?

This is what I keep getting and the only thing stopping it from flooding is the floater.

www.reef2reef.com

Apparently my link is bad and only goes to the OP, however I would ask you to review it. I did not post post that code.

Thread 'Alarm on this Apex is ON' https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/alarm-on-this-apex-is-on.894540/

 

[Wolters_88]

The siphon works perfectly. Everything is exactly the way your guide says it should be and it’s still filling it up to the point the sensors are tripped and it fills to the float ball being the only thing stopping it.

 

[SuncrestReef]

My sensors are named ATO_LO and ATO_HI. Yes this is totally different from ATK_LO and ATK_HI. The naming of your sensors doesn't change the functionality of the programing. I think you have it figured out.

Out of the water. But it’s still filling once it’s past them. Why?

You didn't answer my question: Is the PMUP physically running and pumping water even when the sensors are CLOSED, or is the water just draining in through the ATO tubing even though the PMUP is not running?

 

[Sean Clark]

Out of the water. But it’s still filling once it’s past them. Why?

Where is your resivor in relation to your sump?

 

[Wolters_88]

The only thing I can tell you is that it’s not siphoning when I pull it out at all so I would assume the pmup is running. No clue how I would check to see how long or when I had been running.