Back at it! Peroxide vrs cyanobacteria

[that Reef Guy]

I will try to answer this to the best of my ability
Yes h2o2 has less then a 24 hour life span.
Many things changes the span, lights, organics, and the elements of saltwater.
Now this comes to dosing h2o2 (not finalized )
Lights off, dose every 12 hours (amount not yet determined )
H2O2 doesn't pick and choose it's about what will oxidize when in contact.
So far only the most delicate is interfered while a vast majority is unharmed
Large organisms seem to not be affected but single cell bacteria seems susceptible
I test every day with new samples exposed to different amounts of h2o2.
So without dosing large volumes to eradicate in one dose, a set volume has to be spread out over time to keep from harming other live tissues
This is where I find peroxide interesting, it releases it's oxygen bond leaving water behind (rapidly )

"Large organisms seem to not be affected but single cell bacteria seems susceptible"

If it Kills Bacteria then it could Kill Beneficial Bacteria causing an Ammonia Spike Causing a Tank Crash.

That is what Scares me Most about this Peroxide Dosing.

You cannot Test to see how much Beneficial Bacteria is in the Tank.

I don't know about the rest of you but I couldn't Sleep at Night Doing this.

 

[twilliard]

"Large organisms seem to not be affected but single cell bacteria seems susceptible"

If it Kills Bacteria then it could Kill Beneficial Bacteria causing an Ammonia Spike Causing a Tank Crash.

That is what Scares me Most about this Peroxide Dosing.

You cannot Test to see how much Beneficial Bacteria is in the Tank.

I don't know about the rest of you but I couldn't Sleep at Night Doing this.

And this also will be verified
My first goal is reproduction of cyanobacteria
This is in early stages of the understanding of h2o2 and effect.

 

[twilliard]

Here is one of Randy's articles about ORP that I feel should be noted in this thread.
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-12/rhf/feature/
A drop in ORP will be noticed with the use of h2o2 and this drop is short lived.

 

[caver]

Great thread I can wait to see the final

 

[twilliard]

It's coming together nicely
I'm working with a guy to help gather the data.

 

[buckeye82]

@twilliard here is my orp from last 24 hours on apex after the peroxide dose. For others, @twilliard is doing everything he can to help me get rid of a bad 9 month + case of dinos in my 450 gallon setup. Starting dosing peroxide last night. Todd can fill in any details he wants to share but I'll try to do daily updates. Fingers crossed, here we go.

 

[twilliard]

Yes perfect and I thank you so much for adding this information!

 

[twilliard]

@cowboy
It's time!
Cyano has been confirmed in your 125
To start we will do the standard 10:1 ratio that is stated online in many threads.
For every 10 gallons of volume add 1ml of peroxide
To all following members, cowboy has agreed to assisting me in this study.

 

[cowboy]

And it is time! so we have a base line and full time frames I will start dosing in the A.M.
4-3-2016.

 

[twilliard]

And it is time! so we have a base line and full time frames I will start dosing in the A.M.
4-3-2016.

Awesome!

 

[watchguy123]

Could you elucidate. What makes you think this is a true statement

Thank you!
Those cells once broken apart starts the cyano "chain"
This is where I advise people to try their best to not stir up the mat.

 

[twilliard]

Could you elucidate. What makes you think this is a true statement

What makes me "think" this is a true statement?
I don't have to think it's all in the power of the microscope

There is obviously an issue with yourself and what I am doing.
I only provide facts, bottom line.
Please pm me if you have any questions

 

[Vaiodude]

I had great results with peroxide against a bad issue with Dino's. I just about gave up the hobby till I came across a thread recommending to dose peroxide.

 

[twilliard]

Thank you!
My main goal is to educate people with the use of peroxide.
It's hard on my end and with the guys helping me put this together to show the benefits of the use of peroxide.
I thank @brandon429 for introducing this method. I am working diligently to expand its use and promise to only provide true facts based on member participation and my ability to properly use testing equipment.

 

[cowboy]

FTS prior to dosing H2O2 areas of cyano underlined in red, dinos in orange, and hair in green. I did not mark every spot of each just the more noticeable and area's for reference as this progresses.

 

[cowboy]

Current water quality
Ca 438
Mg 1380
Dkh 7.8
Po4 .2
No3 not detected
Ammonia not detected
SG 1.025
Will be dosing tomorrow for Ca Mg and Dkh

 

[brandon429]

TWilliard thanks for ideas and for the mention
Great details and slide pics they are amazing


That reef guy

Bacteria are not being harmed in ways that harm our tanks, see the 200+ pages in the peroxide threads. We would have the ammonia spikes you mentioned, we don't.

The peroxide thread linked as a sticky up top here also confirms, you can now rest easy. That is a common assumption about peroxide dosing. not factored in the assumption are dilutions, contact time sustained, bio insulators that protect nitrifers, the fact that they are aerobes and we are boosting oxygen and a few more missed details.

It is the same rationale that taking 1/4th of a single pill from a ten day prescribed antibiotics course won't cure an infection, even though antibiotics can kill infections.

 

[Hawain_Rob]

Today is the 48hr blackout in my tank. I hope that will eliminate my cyano problem...but to be safe I'm running to CVS to grab some peroxide. What kind should I get,how much should I dose for 38g,how long should I dose for and for how many days and does it matter what time of day I dose?

 

[milonedp]

@twilliard here is my orp from last 24 hours on apex after the peroxide dose. For others, @twilliard is doing everything he can to help me get rid of a bad 9 month + case of dinos in my 450 gallon setup. Starting dosing peroxide last night. Todd can fill in any details he wants to share but I'll try to do daily updates. Fingers crossed, here we go.

Why does ORP go down? I thought that the article that Randy linked to said that ORP should go up, H2o2 is an oxidizer right?

 

[twilliard]

That will have to be answered by him.
I just wanted people to know and clear any confusion that ORP reduces during a h2o2 dose. I am trying to limit any surprises