twentyleagues
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Also I am guessing you spread that out through the day not a bolus dose?
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And in reality, one probably needs very little of what's marketed (legit and non-legit products) to enjoy and be successful in this hobby.
Do I need named corals?
Do I need to know my parameters every few hours?
Do I need to pull every particle out of my water with a fleece roller?
Do I need to have a system that continously changes my water.
Do I need to know the microbiome and DNA of my system?
Do I need to know the macro and micro elements in my tank on a frequent basis?
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While I have precipitation in mind, the lack of which appears to be a fundamental advantage to bicarb over carbonates and kalk etc, these folk found no measurable precipitation when adding Sodium Hydroxide as long as the pH in the tank was <10;
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"No CaCO3 precipitation was observed in the tanks or aquaria for which the bulk seawater pHT was <10.0. The pHT=10.3 experiment was designed to induce CaCO3 runaway precipitation"
In my simple mind, this appears to provide direct evidence against claims of trace binding when using higher pH additives, which is a Claim.
An assessment of ocean alkalinity enhancement using aqueous hydroxides: kinetics, efficiency, and precipitation thresholds
Abstract. Ocean alkalinity enhancement (OAE) is a promising approach to marine carbon dioxide removal (mCDR) that leverages the large surface area and carbon storage capacity of the oceans to sequester atmospheric CO2 as dissolved bicarbonate (HCO3-). One OAE method involves the conversion of...
"No CaCO3 precipitation was observed in the tanks or aquaria for which the bulk seawater pHT was <10.0. The pHT=10.3 experiment was designed to induce CaCO3 runaway precipitation"
In my simple mind, this appears to provide direct evidence against claims of trace binding when using higher pH additives, which is a Claim.
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This whole thing is pretty sad. Before all this i thought FM was a legit company, they have really hurt their credibility with this stuff. I am very strongly considering moving away from using the FM salt (which i like) because of their lies.
Before that I would recommend getting input from those that are finding the method works quite well. And yes I realize that I am setting myself up for mass derision from those who are much more qualified to make scientific assessments of the claims made by FM but as a PsyD I do find the reactions interesting. After a couple of months utilizing it I can say that the end result claims made are accurate. Why and how , I have no idea but if I am seeing higher PH, better coral coloration and growth for pennies a day, sign me up. Why, and would others get the same results? No idea but for me it works great. My thoughts are that the increase in lighting intensity is largely responsible for the above and that using most any other three part would work. But again, why mess with success?
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I think youre missing the point here. No one here is claiming the product doesnt work.
There are a couple questionable claims FM makes in the marketing recently with the bolus:
- they claim the product raises the pH, this is chemically impossible (i think its more the light change thats to thank for it)
- they claim the product increases alk more than it does (creates a false sense of more growth)
- and i think some more qualified people here can certainly name a couple more
Point is, FM is making false claims and thats the problem here. Sure people have succes with it, like with most dosing systems. Doesnt make it right to make false claims to win people over
Lol. How about the claim that problematic Dino's are caused by coral excreting their symbionts and going rampant in the tank, double lol.
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Havent heard that one lol
Pod_01
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Interesting and good that the method works for your situation.
Unfortunately it didn’t work for my tank, I lost all of my zoas, some acros and even a chalice. I moved away from most FM products for now, I just use the FM fish food.
Zoas before BOLUS:
During BOLUS:
And they just melted away.
That bugged me a lot, I had those zoas for 5+ years and they survived Dino’s, alk swings even turning the reef into brackish water. But not BOLUS…
Their videos are riddled with marketing speak like that. Claims that, on the surface seem believable to the average hobbyists but to the trained person raises all kinds of red flags. They're trying to convince you that not only do they have something revolutionary but it solves many other issues plaguing most hobbyists.
You live and learn, lol. The theory laid out to me about maintaining pH with kalk, regardless of alkalinity, really did a number on my tank.Interesting and good that the method works for your situation.
Unfortunately it didn’t work for my tank, I lost all of my zoas, some acros and even a chalice. I moved away from most FM products for now, I just use the FM fish food.
Zoas before BOLUS:
During BOLUS:
And they just melted away.
That bugged me a lot, I had those zoas for 5+ years and they survived Dino’s, alk swings even turning the reef into brackish water. But not BOLUS…
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Works quite well for what, compared to spread out dosing, exactly?
What claims, exactly?
Full stop.
Lol. I think there's enough evidence in this thread to declare a "myth", or B.S, but I'm not that vulgar.
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Which claims did you find supported by your use of it?
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To be fair another quite famous German Marin biologist claims the same and it also goes in hand with my observation over the last 14 years, especially when you see certain trace elements missing on all of these occasions.
Doesn’t mean all outbreaks are caused by this but I believe many are.
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I honestly don’t care if it works or not (because that’s hardly surprising, its 3 part after all). The problem is the lying
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Please cite the source.
Corals typically expel symbionts as a stress response. But whatever the reason, the species of dinoflagellates that cause problem blooms in tanks aren’t even the same type that the corals host.
The theory is not only unsupported by science… it’s fundamentally impossible based on what we know about coral biology and dinoflagellate outbreaks. This is not an obscure area of marine biology. There is well established research distinguishing these organisms.
It is certainly possible that there is correlation regarding effect, but absolutely no evidence whatsoever to cause. In other words, whatever is causing the coral to stress is also causing the outbreak (water quality, typically).
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The brand loyalty culture FM is cultivating. Suppression of ideas, personal attacks and laughing emojis.
areefer01
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The brand loyalty culture FM is cultivating. Suppression of ideas, personal attacks and laughing emojis.
Ignoring the moderate discussion of what it is or if it works or not reading that block of text reminds me a bit of bullying. I have come across it now in a few different threads be it here or elsewhere and it is a bit concerning.
Of course it could just be my take on it.
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