Bolus dosing

[IntrinsicReef]

From 6:30 - 8:20 David asks Claude specifically about the potential spike in alkalinity. Claude responds with, and I'm paraphrasing, that seawater chemists now understand what happens and although it may appear you are dosing 2 dKH, it's actually 1 dKH because it comes back throughout the day because of seawater combining rock surface and organics in the aquarium. I did not hear reference to alkalinity spike anywhere else in the video. Interesting though, Claude acknowledges the "many posts on Reef2Reef" ;)

It's because he remembers putting 3 spoons of bicarbonate in his tank 20 years ago! And it should of given him 2dkh but instead it gave him 1 dkh! Weren't you listening?
Yes. I heard him trying to turn this thread around in his favor. Bold.
Also, seawater chemistry is different than standard chemistry. And bicarbonate in Europe raises the pH but not in the US. Got it?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Please show me. I’ve always wondered what Randy sounded like. Does he have an accent? lol :)

No accent. lol

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

Apparently c02 in the water only equilibrates with outside air when dosing bicarbonate.

This is a clear case of the tail wagging the dog.

I watched the video, it didn't address any of the issues that created the "controversy". It actually turned into an infomercial

 

[BeanAnimal]

ooopps. I may should have not even started to watch that and maybe should not start commenting on YouTube.... Ohh well.

 

[rtparty]

Apparently c02 in the water only equilibrates with outside air when dosing bicarbonate.

This is a clear case of the tail wagging the dog.

I watched the video, it didn't address any of the issues that created the "controversy". It actually turned into an infomercial

This is what happens when interviewers don’t ask hard questions and just lob softballs the whole time

 

[IntrinsicReef]

Might it be helpful to make a separate closed thread of all of @Randy Holmes-Farley 's direct rebuttals to FMs claims? So people interested don't have to sift through 70 pages of back and forth to read the actual science? Claude saying 100s of people in this thread proving his chemistry right is pretty brazen.
I'm happy to offer time in help sorting posts if needed.

 

[BeanAnimal]

This is what happens when interviewers don’t ask hard questions and just lob softballs the whole time

I have lost so much respect for so many of these people. That was not an interview, it was an infomercial. Read the video description... WOW!

 

[twentyleagues]

Might it be helpful to make a separate closed thread of all of @Randy Holmes-Farley 's direct rebuttals to FMs claims? So people interested don't have to sift to 70 pages of back and forth to read the actual science? Claude saying 100s of people in this thread proving his chemistry right is pretty brazen.
I'm happy to offer time in help sorting posts if needed.

Well we all know his math is "off" so hundreds is more like 2 and I think it was actually 2 that said it works.

 

[Pod_01]

Claude saying 100s of people in this thread proving his chemistry right is pretty brazen.

100s of people and there are 1447 posts, out of curiosity is it possible to find out how many people posted to this thread…

 

[A_Blind_Reefer]

I think I should microdose, and then watch that again

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[Garf]

And it should of given him 2dkh but instead it gave him 1 dkh!

Two possibilities here. Either he has been using an inaccurate calculator forever, or he has really small spoons.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

So let me ask @Randy Holmes-Farley , to clarify, the only way to dose 2dkh into a reef tank and see a 0.4dkh rise, is either dosing less than expected bicarbonate, or they're adding some sort of peptide (i think is what was discussed earlier) to delay the release?

Or was the latter ruled out?

 

[BeanAnimal]

Personally - I think Claude bit off far more than he could chew with exaggerated bolus claims and he knows it. The videos are adapting and unquestionably in response to this thread. He loses a bit more credibility with each new video, but does it matter? All he needs is people saying “it works” without even understanding what it is that “works” in relation to his actual claims. Snake oil sales tactics worked 200 years ago and work today and will always work.

 

[Garf]

He loses a bit more credibility with each new video

I expect it's precipitation.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I expect it's precipitation.

Nah, that is at least substantive :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:

 

[Brian916]

I think I should microdose, and then watch that again

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Better if taken as a "Bolus"?

 

[Garf]

@Randy Holmes-Farley

I expect you agree that calcification of coral releases CO2, therefore perhaps giving the appearance that kalk is no longer working as well, when in fact it is actually succeeding? A greater light intensity and a lower calcification rate could therefore be increasing pH together or individually, as reported. The only "Evidence" so far is that calcification appears to stop, in the light. Evidence provided by bolus itself by the "tabletop" effect. It is certainly a fact that fleshy algae can increase pH and I have yet to see evidence that this is not what is happening. Over to you Claude;

 

[BeanAnimal]

You mean it is not better, maybe worse…. and there are no magic crystals?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

So let me ask @Randy Holmes-Farley , to clarify, the only way to dose 2dkh into a reef tank and see a 0.4dkh rise, is either dosing less than expected bicarbonate, or they're adding some sort of peptide (i think is what was discussed earlier) to delay the release?

Or was the latter ruled out?

Any sort of organic anion, such as the formate in AFR, could delay the alk.

But both IR and alk titration of the FM product by an expert analytical chemist who showed me the results demonstrate it is sodium bicarbonate and not any sort of delayed chemical.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

@Randy Holmes-Farley

I expect you agree that calcification of coral releases CO2, therefore perhaps giving the appearance that kalk is no longer working as well, when in fact it is actually succeeding? A greater light intensity and a lower calcification rate could therefore be increasing pH together or individually, as reported. The only "Evidence" so far is that calcification appears to stop, in the light. Evidence provided by bolus itself by the "tabletop" effect. It is certainly a fact that fleshy algae can increase pH and I have yet to see evidence that this is not what is happening. Over to you Claude;

Calcification as a full process consumes carbonate to form calcium carbonate. Removing carbonate from seawater lowers alk and also lowers pH, yes.