Bolus dosing

[BeanAnimal]

.. never mind.

Hoping that some of the "it works" people will specify exactly what claims made about the method are found to be working.

 

[Garf]

The brand loyalty culture FM is cultivating. Suppression of ideas, personal attacks and laughing emojis.

At least they are replying to some of those comments, lol. I've tried asking about the Alkalinity Anomaly again, on that vid. Not holding my breath.

 

[IntrinsicReef]

At least they are replying to some of those comments, lol. I've tried asking about the Alkalinity Anomaly again, on that vid. Not holding my breath.

I don't know if asking others to explain their claims and laughing emojis really qualify as a response.

 

[rtparty]

The brand loyalty culture FM is cultivating. Suppression of ideas, personal attacks and laughing emojis.

Just so you’re aware, YouTube won’t allow links to outside sources in the comments. It always deletes or blocks them.

I ran into this with my Salt Test thread and trying to get the link on YT to my R2R thread

 

[IntrinsicReef]

Just so you’re aware, YouTube won’t allow links to outside sources in the comments. It always deletes or blocks them.

I ran into this with my Salt Test thread and trying to get the link on YT to my R2R thread

Thank you for confirming that. I thought that might be the case when my comment was instantly deleted.

 

[rtparty]

After seeing how Doug and Claude talk to people, I can’t believe anyone would support anything Fauna Marin going forward

 

[BeanAnimal]

After seeing how Doug and Claude talk to people, I can’t believe anyone would support anything Fauna Marin going forward

They do that to deflect from the real conversation. It is also fodder for those that do hang on their every word, which in turn feeds the back into why they do it.

That YT thread will turn into a nasty mess that has nothing to do with the actual scientific claims, which is exactly what both want.

 

[rtparty]

They do that to deflect from the real conversation. It is also fodder for those that do hang on their every word, which in turn feeds the back into why they do it.

That YT thread will turn into a nasty mess that has nothing to do with the actual scientific claims, which is exactly what both want.

You’d think their “better chemists and biologists” would be sharing this info with the world to further the field. I can’t imagine any real scientists would study this stuff simply for aquariums and then send Doug and Claude out as the spokesmen :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing:

 

[BeanAnimal]

You’d think their “better chemists and biologists” would be sharing this info with the world to further the field. I can’t imagine any real scientists would study this stuff simply for aquariums and then send Doug and Claude out as the spokesmen :rolling-on-the-floor-laughing:

Correct, one would think that if these previously unknown mechanism were discovered by FM that the groundbreaking research would be submitted for peer review.

 

[Oldreefer44]

LOL.......some of us suckers born every day I guess.

 

[BeanAnimal]

LOL.......some of us suckers born every day I guess.

I had asked you what specific claims made by Claude regarding bolus dosing have you observed to be “working” as opposed to dosing in other formats.

Again “it works” is ambiguous at best. What “works”, specifically?

 

[carbl]

I recently started topping up the evaporated water by bolus. I also increase the light output by 40% and add trace elements. What can I say, it works! The corals look great and I can see them much better now.
But it only works with RODI water from a certain manufacturer of osmosis systems!:beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes::zany-face:

 

[JohannesFFM]

I started my new tank 6 months ago, added sps and lps after 4 weeks. been dosing balling/bolus and havent lost a single frag that i introduced to my tank. LPS are fleshy and i am very happy. i have been reefing since 2018, used triton and allforreef. balling/bolus is my favorite so far. tomskorallen a coral shop in germany made a new video. he switched one of his frag systems to bolus and is pretty happy about it. frags seems to be much more resilient and grow faster.

 

[Garf]

I started my new tank 6 months ago, added sps and lps after 4 weeks. been dosing balling/bolus and havent lost a single frag that i introduced to my tank. LPS are fleshy and i am very happy. i have been reefing since 2018, used triton and allforreef. balling/bolus is my favorite so far. tomskorallen a coral shop in germany made a new video. he switched one of his frag systems to bolus and is pretty happy about it. frags seems to be much more resilient and grow faster.

If they are using the Fauna alkalinity calculator they could be adding double the amount of whatever trace goes into that. Is that just as likely as adding Alk in one go? Especially under Faunas recent instruction that it must be their materials used.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I started my new tank 6 months ago, added sps and lps after 4 weeks. been dosing balling/bolus and havent lost a single frag that i introduced to my tank. LPS are fleshy and i am very happy. i have been reefing since 2018, used triton and allforreef. balling/bolus is my favorite so far. tomskorallen a coral shop in germany made a new video. he switched one of his frag systems to bolus and is pretty happy about it. frags seems to be much more resilient and grow faster.

Thanks. :)

FWIW, no one is saying dosing alk all at once won't work, since folks have done that for decades. The real question is whether it is better or worse or the same (and in what way) as dosing the same material spread out over the day to even out alkalinity over time. And also whether that is better than dosing other alk products (e.g., AFR, carbonate, hydroxide, etc.).

I understand why many folks are not interested in experimenting on their reef tanks. If a reefer is happy with the results, stick with it. But lack of data leaves the rest of the world not knowing what causes what. Combining the bolus aspect with other changes makes it impossible to dissect whether the bolus aspect does anything good or bad since any change could come from other changes (such as the lighting change).

 

[audioTom]

I started my new tank 6 months ago, added sps and lps after 4 weeks. been dosing balling/bolus and havent lost a single frag that i introduced to my tank. LPS are fleshy and i am very happy. i have been reefing since 2018, used triton and allforreef. balling/bolus is my favorite so far. tomskorallen a coral shop in germany made a new video. he switched one of his frag systems to bolus and is pretty happy about it. frags seems to be much more resilient and grow faster.

Johannes, keep in mind that Tom and Claude are not only so called "buddies", they also have a business-relationship. Not claiming that Tom is trying to fool someone, just telling that he has a little bias, you know?
Claude was ALWAYS an expert when it comes to marketing and he is constantly evolving. That's not a bad thing per se, that is what beeing an entrepeneur is all about.... Just saying, his first and foremost interest is his bankaccount, he is a "Schwobä" ;)

 

[rtparty]

I added SPS week 1 to this tank. 99% of the rock was brand new, dry when it went in. 75% of the sand was dry sand. The other 25% was Ocean Direct.

I didn’t Bolus dose it.

What’s my point? Nothing. There is no context or control to compare it to.

 

[areefer01]

But lack of data leaves the rest of the world not knowing what causes what.

I think we could all say that there are a lot of products in this hobby be it additive or hardware that lacks supporting data to market speak on the box, container.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I think we could all say that there are a lot of products in this hobby be it additive or hardware that lacks supporting data to market speak on the box, container.

That's true and is a problem, but as the saying by Carl Sagan goes

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”

It's not particularly extraordinary to claim that, for example, a trace element mix boosts colors. There's certainly some context where that is likely to be true, even if its mostly marketing buzz, and is nearly impossible to ever prove it wrong.

But the claims going along with the bolus method are somewhat extraordinary, involve hypothesized mechanisms not otherwise known to science, and are complicated by the fact that it is misnamed which leads everyone to associate the claims and evidence with the name, not the actual procedure.

This claim would be far less interesting and controversial:

News flash: FM claims boosting lights causes a pH rise. The light boost method works great!

 

[rtparty]

That's true and is a problem, but as the saying by Carl Sagan goes

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”

It's not particularly extraordinary to claim that, for example, a trace element mix boosts colors. There's certainly some context where that is likely to be true, even if its mostly marketing buzz, and is nearly impossible to ever prove it wrong.

But the claims going along with the bolus method are somewhat extraordinary, involve hypothesized mechanisms not otherwise known to science, and are complicated by the fact that it is misnamed which leads everyone to associate the claims and evidence with the name, not the actual procedure.

This claim would be far less interesting and controversial:

News flash: FM claims boosting lights causes a pH rise. The light boost method works great!

It’s amazing to me in all Claude’s ranting, name calling, throwing around large numbers, talks about you (Randy) being stuck in the 80s and not even owning a tank….he never once talks about how the massive light increase might just be why the pH rises overall.

I mean I get it. Telling people to increase their PAR doesn’t sell his products soooooo…..yeah