ChatGPT / AI Reference for Uses & Feedback

[seths]

I got into a chat over the weekend with people talking about it, but I feel like it'd be helpful to maintain a thread where people can reference uses? I'll commit to maintaining for a little while if this grabs interest. I see a lot of one off threads but not really anything overviewing the useful scenarios - for me this is both to provoke ideas but also to understand where to validate or stay away from. This topic interests me I guess with how much I use GPT in my day to day.

I will say for me, I have a typed up breakdown of my tank, equipment, livestock, prior parameters, and supplements on hand that I lead with saying here is my setup and to please verify answers are relevant. Basically it's what is in my build thread. Having a paid teams version of GPT, I have an actual project created with criteria set in the project.

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Successful Uses - Helpful​

• Explain the correlation between nitrates and phosphates
  • I then provided 2 weeks of NO and PO readings. GPT came back and asked about feeding and water changes, and we determined that water changes were stripping the system.
• Modify APEX Dos Config to run from 19:00 - 10:00 and lower dose amount so total output is the same.
  • In ask, I provided the "Basic View" of my current Apex DOSQD Kalk configuration.
  • DOS is currently set up to dose 225 mL/hr for 10 hours - Updated to 150 mL per hour for 15 hours.

Cautious Uses - Verify Output / Logic​

• First Question - I'm dosing 2250 mL of Kalk mixed at 2 tsp per gallon at night. I'm also dosing 10 mL each of both Seachem Reef Fusion 1 & 2 during the day. - What is my estimated ALK (dKH) and CA (PPM) consumption?
  Second Question - What would the expected MG consumption be based on this? Then, if dosing Red Sea Part C into a 200-gallon system, what would the daily dosage be?
  • I asked it to show me the math and verify - all was correct except the mL calculation on dosing - it seems to struggle with the scaling of the dosage. At first, it said 352 mL per day - I said that doesn't seem correct, verify math. It then corrected.

Failed Uses - High Margin of Error​

• My PO4 is .00. What would a dosing regimen be using AF Phosphate into a 200-gallon system?
  • Mentioned in prior cautious - straight dosage calculations seem to be an issue - it also left off max dose amount.
  • First response, it double-multiplied the ratio to tank volume. I responded saying to verify.
  • Second response, it said to dose over the max daily dosage of the AF supplement.

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I know when I first started really getting into the more advanced side of reefing, I consumed too much content and mis-information. I remember at RAP in a seminar with WWC guys they basically said to find someone with proven success and model after one or two people - not to look too far into all of the content in the forums and internet.

Long term, I wonder how this will play into the roles of ChatGPT - since it does crawl the internet, it has a lot of bad info or can consume from too many sources.

Also interested in methodology specific feedback - Reef Moonshiners, Bolus, etc...

I know when I ask chemistry specific questions, I tell it to specifically provide responses based on chemistry and reputable sources.

 

[seths]

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[taricha]

I asked Google Gemini the following...
"Is it a good idea to use ChatGPT or similar generative AI to calculate chemical amounts and concentrations to dose to a reef aquarium?"

(Note the part I put in bold)

Answer
Using generative AI like ChatGPT to calculate chemical dosing for a reef aquarium carries significant risks. Reef aquarium chemistry is complex, and even small errors can have drastic consequences for the health of your tank. Here's a breakdown of why caution is essential:
* Accuracy Concerns:
* AI models, while powerful, can sometimes produce inaccurate or inconsistent results, especially when dealing with precise chemical calculations.
* Even a minor mistake in calculating concentrations or volumes could lead to overdosing or underdosing, both of which can harm or kill your corals and fish.
* Information given by large language models, can be incorrect, and it is hard to verify the information given.
* Complexity of Reef Chemistry:
* Reef aquarium chemistry involves numerous interacting factors, including pH, alkalinity, calcium, magnesium, and trace elements.
* Generative AI may struggle to account for all these variables and their interdependencies.
* Every reef tank is different, and what works for one may not work for another.
* Reliability of Information:
* It is critical to use reliable sources of information when dealing with reef aquarium chemistry.
* Established reefkeeping resources, such as reputable forums, experienced aquarists, and scientific literature, are far more dependable than AI-generated responses.
* Risk of Misinterpretation:
* Even if the AI provides accurate calculations, there's a risk of misinterpreting the results or applying them incorrectly.
Recommendations:
* Consult Expert Sources: Rely on well-established reefkeeping resources, such as books, online forums, and experienced aquarists.
* Use Reliable Calculators: There are many online calculators and apps specifically designed for reef aquarium dosing that have been vetted by experts.
* Start Slowly and Monitor Closely: When dosing any chemicals, always start with small amounts and monitor your tank's parameters closely.
* Prioritize Safety: When in doubt, it's always better to err on the side of caution.
In summary, while generative AI can be a helpful tool for some tasks, it's not a reliable substitute for expert knowledge and careful calculations when it comes to reef aquarium chemistry.

Heh, I also asked the same question to ChatGPT, and it said... yeah totally awesome to use Generative AI to do chemistry calculations, just make sure you check that they are right (very rarely are they right). Lol.

 

[seths]

I asked Google Gemini the following...
"Is it a good idea to use ChatGPT or similar generative AI to calculate chemical amounts and concentrations to dose to a reef aquarium?"

Heh, I also asked the same question to ChatGPT, and it said... yeah totally awesome to use Generative AI to do chemistry calculations, just make sure you check that they are right (very rarely are they right). Lol.

For me, this would be the most helpful use case..... Buttt..... also seems to consistently be a high margin of error.

:rolleyes:

 

[GSPClown94]

You could probably use AI to heat your aquarium, similar to how some crypto miners heat their homes in the winter.

 

[fandaga]

I work as an analytical chemist and don’t trust LLMs like ChatGPT for math or chemistry. It’s useful for helping write simple Python code or adding comments to existing code. It’s interesting to see if it can write useable code for Apex.

 

[Jesse Sunday]

I work as an analytical chemist and don’t trust LLMs like ChatGPT for math or chemistry. It’s useful for helping write simple Python code or adding comments to existing code. It’s interesting to see if it can write useable code for Apex.

Like this? :)

 

[Jesse Sunday]

And this? :)

 

[fandaga]

Did they work? One issue I’ve seen with ChatGPT coding for niche languages is that it’ll write stuff that seems viable but doesn’t run at all. I think it just doesn’t have a large enough training set.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I got into a chat over the weekend with people talking about it, but I feel like it'd be helpful to maintain a thread where people can reference uses? I'll commit to maintaining for a little while if this grabs interest. I see a lot of one off threads but not really anything overviewing the useful scenarios - for me this is both to provoke ideas but also to understand where to validate or stay away from. This topic interests me I guess with how much I use GPT in my day to day.

I will say for me, I have a typed up breakdown of my tank, equipment, livestock, prior parameters, and supplements on hand that I lead with saying here is my setup and to please verify answers are relevant. Basically it's what is in my build thread. Having a paid teams version of GPT, I have an actual project created with criteria set in the project.

---

Successful Uses - Helpful​

• Explain the correlation between nitrates and phosphates
  • I then provided 2 weeks of NO and PO readings. GPT came back and asked about feeding and water changes, and we determined that water changes were stripping the system.
• Modify APEX Dos Config to run from 19:00 - 10:00 and lower dose amount so total output is the same.
  • In ask, I provided the "Basic View" of my current Apex DOSQD Kalk configuration.
  • DOS is currently set up to dose 225 mL/hr for 10 hours - Updated to 150 mL per hour for 15 hours.

Cautious Uses - Verify Output / Logic​

• First Question - I'm dosing 2250 mL of Kalk mixed at 2 tsp per gallon at night. I'm also dosing 10 mL each of both Seachem Reef Fusion 1 & 2 during the day. - What is my estimated ALK (dKH) and CA (PPM) consumption?
  Second Question - What would the expected MG consumption be based on this? Then, if dosing Red Sea Part C into a 200-gallon system, what would the daily dosage be?
  • I asked it to show me the math and verify - all was correct except the mL calculation on dosing - it seems to struggle with the scaling of the dosage. At first, it said 352 mL per day - I said that doesn't seem correct, verify math. It then corrected.

Failed Uses - High Margin of Error​

• My PO4 is .00. What would a dosing regimen be using AF Phosphate into a 200-gallon system?
  • Mentioned in prior cautious - straight dosage calculations seem to be an issue - it also left off max dose amount.
  • First response, it double-multiplied the ratio to tank volume. I responded saying to verify.
  • Second response, it said to dose over the max daily dosage of the AF supplement.

--

I know when I first started really getting into the more advanced side of reefing, I consumed too much content and mis-information. I remember at RAP in a seminar with WWC guys they basically said to find someone with proven success and model after one or two people - not to look too far into all of the content in the forums and internet.

Long term, I wonder how this will play into the roles of ChatGPT - since it does crawl the internet, it has a lot of bad info or can consume from too many sources.

Also interested in methodology specific feedback - Reef Moonshiners, Bolus, etc...

I know when I ask chemistry specific questions, I tell it to specifically provide responses based on chemistry and reputable sources.

I'm still not sure of the way you envision using this thread, and there are many different AI's and versions around so comments will not apply to the all.

My opinion is that no one should ever post anything on Reef2Reef that they do not have a reason to believe themselves, or which they can cite a source for. Otherwise, we are just perpetuating information that may be false.

That said, several of the AI's available have very mixed reliability on reef chemistry issues and I advise never using them for anything that is important, except as a starting point to look further.

 

[Stblindtiger]

Ha! I just did this exact same thing with ChatGPT!

I basically copied and pasted my whole build thread (sizes, equipment makes and models, salt brand, fish and coral) and asked for ChatGPT to recommend strategies on how to better optimize my system….

I didn’t realize that my skimmer was too small for the size of my system and the bioload that I am supporting. It was a free analysis of my system and recommendations on how to fix all of my mistakes!

I'm still not sure of the way you envision using this thread, and there are many different AI's and versions around so comments will not apply to the all.

I think the original poster was trying to start a thread of useful ways to use ChatGPT/other AI platforms while reefing! …The more I use AI the more I love it!

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Ha! I just did this exact same thing with ChatGPT!

I basically copied and pasted my whole build thread (sizes, equipment makes and models, salt brand, fish and coral) and asked for ChatGPT to recommend strategies on how to better optimize my system….

I didn’t realize that my skimmer was too small for the size of my system and the bioload that I am supporting. It was a free analysis of my system and recommendations on how to fix all of my mistakes!



I think the original poster was trying to start a thread of useful ways to use ChatGPT/other AI platforms while reefing! …The more I use AI the more I love it!

You are confident ChatGPT is able to give an assessment of skimmer suitability that is more than it just reading the manufacturer recommendation and comparing that to your tank size?

We are one step away from it telling you to push that little red button with a cover on it because it’s a good idea. Lol

 

[Stblindtiger]

You are confident ChatGPT is able to give an assessment of skimmer suitability that is more than it just reading the manufacturer recommendation and comparing that to your tank size?

We are one step away from it telling you to push that little red button with a cover on it because it’s a good idea. Lol

lol…. Oh I realize that I can’t just blindly follow what AI tells me! I just didn’t even realize that my protein skimmer was seriously undersized for what my reef tank is supporting.

I don’t know much about running a reef tank, and I’m just figuring things out as I go. I’ve posted my build thread, had people suggest things, but no one ever said anything about the size of my skimmer and I never noticed it either. It took AI to point it out, before I realized what the problem was.

Just like with any source of advice, you have to think critically, and make decisions for yourself. I think in general though, AI can be a good resource to help reefers get started with running a reef tank efficiently.