CIPROFLOXACIN: IN CURING ANEMONES.

[Christopher Davis]

Yup definitely stress response, good sign the mouth closes when you change water. It’s getting enough light right? Keep us posted, great thread and hope the treatment works!

It’s under my kessil I only have it peaking at 30% intensity on the 10 gallon. I figured it went from being on the bottom of the DT with the light mounted over 8 inches off the water. I didn’t want to risk shocking it with too much light. However on my DT it was peaking at 90% intensity with 4x T5HO bulbs to supplement.

 

[Christopher Davis]

Day 4: morning required an additional change in water... turns out my pump stopped working. It resulted in the water turning almost milky white and the anemone not looking its best, still very responsive to touch but I fear the worst right now...I did the water change this morning and left for work. I also dropped my dosage to 250 mg of Ciprofloxacin.
I am hoping I come home to improved conditions with the new pump running.

 

[EmdeReef]

That’s unfortunate but hope it pulls through that! You can also probably skip a day to give it time to recoup. Given Cipros very slow/negligible biodegradation in water and the fact that anemones are ~90% water I doubt you’d have to restart the protocol from day 1 if that was necessary.

 

[Christopher Davis]

That’s unfortunate but hope it pulls through that! You can also probably skip a day to give it time to recoup. Given Cipros very slow/negligible biodegradation in water and the fact that anemones are ~90% water I doubt you’d have to restart the protocol from day 1 if that was necessary.

I’m hoping dropping the dosage was enough, we will see you when I get off of work I guess!

 

[EmdeReef]

I’m hoping dropping the dosage was enough, we will see you when I get off of work I guess!

It should, your oxygen level was prob depleted without a pump and the nem released even more gunk. Nem’s bioload is huge compared to fish especially if stressed. Can also try feeding a tiny bit of mysis when you change water.

Point the pump to the surface if possible and perhaps add an air stone.

 

[Christopher Davis]

It should, your oxygen level was prob depleted without a pump and the nem released even more gunk. Nem’s bioload is huge compared to fish especially if stressed. Can also try feeding a tiny bit of mysis when you change water.

Point the pump to the surface if possible and perhaps add an air stone.

Had someone send me a pic... not even sure what to think about this now. Thoughts?

 

[me & my baby]

What do you think was the original problem with the nem

 

[EmdeReef]

Generally, in my experience, the worst sign with an anemone is when it deflates. The mouth now looks better than in your prior picture which is a good sign, it is probably expelling something. The deflated foot is a stress response. If you can, ask the person who took the pic to point the pump to surface to ensure there's plenty oxygen in the tank. Is the QT kept at 80 too? If it stays this way when you get back I'd do another water change then observe for a few hours before resuming treatment.

 

[EmdeReef]

Day 4: morning required an additional change in water... turns out my pump stopped working. It resulted in the water turning almost milky white and the anemone not looking its best, still very responsive to touch but I fear the worst right now...I did the water change this morning and left for work. I also dropped my dosage to 250 mg of Ciprofloxacin.
I am hoping I come home to improved conditions with the new pump running.

Can't tell but would you say it was attached when you took this pic?

 

[Christopher Davis]

Can't tell but would you say it was attached when you took this pic?

Yes it’s still attached. Lots of flow around the anemone. Very attached in fact.

 

[EmdeReef]

Yes it’s still attached. Lots of flow around the anemone. Very attached in fact.

That’s always a very good sign!

 

[Christopher Davis]

That’s always a very good sign!

So you think the mouth looks better now?
I am going to do the observation period tonight!

 

[EmdeReef]

So you think the mouth looks better now?
I am going to do the observation period tonight!

I do, inflated mouth is still a sign it’s alive. There’s a lot of information online calling that “the last breath” but couldn’t be further from reality...my BTAs would go through open or inflated mouth many times for a variety of reasons ranging from expelling something to splitting...and there are studies showing it’s a normal observed behavior in nature. In your case, we know what’s causing it.

The fact that it’s attached means it’s still relatively strong. Overall deflated body means it’s very stressed at least in my experience and considering the circumstances.

I agree, I would observe before resuming treatment.

 

[Christopher Davis]

I do, inflated mouth is still a sign it’s alive. There’s a lot of information online calling that “the last breath” but couldn’t be further from reality...my BTAs would go through open or inflated mouth many times for a variety of reasons ranging from expelling something to splitting...and there are studies showing it’s a normal observed behavior in nature. In your case, we know what’s causing it.

The fact that it’s attached means it’s still relatively strong. Overall deflated body means it’s very stressed at least in my experience and considering the circumstances.

I agree, I would observe before resuming treatment.

Okay! Next question, with the observation period how long should I observe for? Do you think I will need to start treatment all over?

 

[shred5]

I went through the same thing last year with two Blue haddoni's. May I ask where you got it? just wondering if it is the same place? one was dieing before I got it in the tank and the other looked good for a day or two.
Anyway Cipro did not save mine. I am on the fence on if it helps or actually stresses the anemone more. Some people swear it helps. Once they start the decline I see no reason not to treat it though, might save it, might not but without it they die anyway.

Hope it saves yours.

 

[Christopher Davis]

I went through the same thing last year with two Blue haddoni's. May I ask where you got it? just wondering if it is the same place? one was dieing before I got it in the tank and the other looked good for a day or two.
Anyway Cipro did not save mine. I am on the fence on if it helps or actually stresses the anemone more. Some people swear it helps. Once they start the decline I see no reason not to treat it though, might save it, might not but without it they die anyway.

Hope it saves yours.

Mine came from Indonesia. It was actually in my tank for almost a week and a half and I fed It a couple times and ate and did great then I just noticed the mouth starting to Gape so I started treatment.

 

[Sea MunnKey]

Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead BUT wouldn't it be convenient if R2R creates a dedicated "Medication" forum (has to be proven and positive method) with brief description(s) of proper ID of medication etc. involved? And without going into too much in depth details, there would be links to read and learn on top of that?

Makes it a whole lot easier than creating clusters of threads after threads of the same questions but titled differently? Just saying .... don't shoot me ;Blackeye

Livestock: Anemone
Symptom: Gapping mouth syndrome (just a figure of speech ...)
Medication: Ciprofloxacin (Fish Flox)
Where to Buy/Order: Amazon, Ebay, local pharmacy etc.
Quarantine Period: Approximate 10 Days
Read Thread links(s): https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ciprofloxacin-in-curing-anemones.353347/#post-4394877
Reefer Reviews?: :D or ;Vomit

 

[dbraun15]

I personally wouldn't stop the meds...continue the treatment. It's not looking good, but IMO, continued doses of medication can only help. How many days have you been treating? I think 7 straight is ideal and don't end treatment early. Good luck!

 

[EmdeReef]

Okay! Next question, with the observation period how long should I observe for? Do you think I will need to start treatment all over?

Ideally you’d want it to get to where it was before this morning before continuing considering this was caused by a pump failure and not the treatment.

However, you can probably resume as soon as it starts showing signs of recovery I.e. Inflating while being attached.

Basically it’s likely that due to the pump failure it got stressed and was exposed to low oxygen condition which then stressed it to expel even more gunk in return fouling the water even more. Cipro is stressful enough so you just want to minimize any non-treatment related stressors.

 

[Christopher Davis]

Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead BUT wouldn't it be convenient if R2R creates a dedicated "Medication" forum (has to be proven and positive method) with brief description(s) of proper ID of medication etc. involved? And without going into too much in depth details, there would be links to read and learn on top of that?

Makes it a whole lot easier than creating threads after threads of the same questions but titled differently? Just saying .... don't shoot me ;Blackeye

Livestock: Anemone
Symptom: Gapping mouth syndrome (just a figure of speech ...)
Medication: Ciprofloxacin (Fish Flox)
Where to Buy/Order: Amazon, Ebay, local pharmacy etc.
Quarantine Period: Approximate 10 Days
Read Thread links(s): https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ciprofloxacin-in-curing-anemones.353347/#post-4394877
Reefer Reviews?: :D or ;Vomit

Don’t worry won’t shoot ya... we will put you in quarantine!
It would be helpful, but hasn’t been done yet! For me this thread was created to show how intensive the process actually is during the ten days. Maybe from it we can all collaborate and get the best of the best\ accuracy out of it! And hopefully save an Anemone or two! Absolutely other people have done this but, I haven’t seen a detailed day to day post showing the work and all inputs being done. Don’t shoot me! I haven’t read he other links yet that you posted!