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D2Mini's Photo Tip #2 - "What Camera Should I Get?"

Shiny, expensive new toys are always fun. But as an Every Day Reefer, we know that much of your disposable income is going towards that beautiful...
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    D2Mini's Photo Tip #2 - "What Camera Should I Get?"


    So you want to take pics of your reef and you have come to the realization that your smartphone just isn't cutting it. Congratulations! There is hope for you yet. ;-)

    Shiny, expensive new toys are always fun. But as an Every Day Reefer, we know that much of your disposable income is going towards that beautiful aquarium. Photography is another disposable income black hole and if you are not careful, you run the risk of getting sucked right in. I'm a professional photographer myself so the last thing I want to do is discourage you from diving in head first and discovering all the joys of photography and the toys that come with it, but I'm going to restrain myself and try to put things into perspective, so the Every Day Reefer can get a solid taste for the photography hobby while making their reefing hobby that much more enjoyable without breaking the bank. Let's be smart about it! Buy wisely once, rather than poorly two or three times.

    I'm going to try to touch on things somewhat briefly, giving you enough information to get you started, and if you need more details you can do some research on your own. These are just some basic tips that I find are useful or worth thinking about when choosing a new camera.

    DSLR

    Put away the phone. Put away the little point-and-shoot camera. If you want to learn anything about photography I highly suggest you pick up a "real" camera with full manual controls. This is key, and I go over the importance of it in my previous photo post. So this is what will we focus on from here on out. You shouldn't be looking at anything else.

    Sensor Size

    Full Frame, APS-C, 4/3, Micro 4/3… These are just some of the various sensor sizes found in modern day digital cameras. The larger the sensor, the more pixels and information can be captured, giving you a clearer, more detailed image. Most common DSLRs will be Full Frame or APS-C which are your largest two sizes, but even Micro 4/3 which is about half the size of a Full Frame sensor, will give you outstanding images compared to the itty-bitty little sensor in your smartphone.

    Physical Size of the Camera

    This is more important than you may initially think. You need to decide how you want to use the camera and how large of a camera you are willing to use. If it's just going to sit next to your tank, it may not matter much. If you plan on taking it out of the house on family outings, how much weight are you willing to carry with you? Will you choose to leave your camera at home because of the extra bulk/weight? Or do you have big hands and need a camera that has a little more breathing room between the various buttons?

    Mirrorless?

    Mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras are designed to have the advantage of smaller size, lighter weight, and lower cost than the typical DSLRs, while still allowing users to swap lenses, unlike most compact cameras. You loose the optical viewfinder, replaced by a digital viewfinder. Digital viewfinders have come a long way, and on most current cameras they are so good that you forget you are looking at a digital screen. So don't let this dissuade you. If small size is what you want, mirrorless may be your best bet.

    Lenses

    Another huge reason to choose a DSLR style camera... being able to change lenses. For shooting close-up images of your coral or fish, you will want to purchase a "macro" lens. This will be your most used lens when shooting your aquarium. Then depending on what else you want to use your camera for and how far you want to take the hobby will determine how large of a lens lineup you will be looking for in a camera system. Before choosing Canon, Nikon, Olympus, etc you will want to look at their current lens-folio to see what is available and what they cost.

    When camera shopping you will see the option of buying just the camera body or a "kit" which is the body with a lens included. This lens is usually a cheaper zoom lens, but as a beginner this is fine for now and will be a decent everyday walk-around lens. The price on these kits is usually a pretty good deal. If the budget is really tight and this will mainly be for shooting your tank, I'd get the body only and put your money towards a nice Macro lens instead. And remember... bodies come and go but lenses are forever (almost)! In other words, pick a system (Nikon, Canon, Olympus, etc) and stick with it.

    You also don't need to stick to the same brand lens as the camera body. In other words, if you bought a Nikon, you don't HAVE to buy a Nikon lens. There are third party lenses that come in different versions with mounts to fit all the big name brands. Some of these lenses can be as good or even better than the name brand lenses but at a much lower price. As an example, one of my all time favorite Macro lenses is the 90mm Macro from Tamron. The original version comes in right around $499. This lens is a STEAL! It's optically 95% as good as the 105mm Nikon lens, you just give up some heavier duty materials and the Vibration Reduction feature of the Nikon, but at 1/3 the price.

    Also, when shopping for a macro lens for the aquarium, I prefer "longer" lenses. Lenses with more reach. 60mm would be the absolute minimum but I would recommend something more like a 90mm. The 105 is nice, too. This helps with larger tanks, when trying to shoot coral that is farther back from the glass. You can always take a couple steps back if you are too close, but once your lens is touching the glass, you can't get any closer. On the other hand, if you are business that is shooting mostly top-downs in shallow water, the 60mm would be a better fit.

    Brand

    Honestly, it doesn't matter. If you can figure out the above requirements, any of the brands that fit those requirements will work. All the major brands will have pretty much the same features, and in the end, they all do what we need them to do. But like buying a car, or new furniture, you will have personal preferences. One brand will have different ergonomics compared to another brand. The shape of the camera body, the button placement, the size... these are all attributes that effect how the camera feels in our hands. I always recommend that you head out to your local stores and handle the different cameras. Take them for a test drive and see how they feel!

    Shutter Response

    This shouldn't be an issue with most modern day DSLRs, but it's worth mentioning. Look for cameras where the delay between pressing the shutter button and hearing the shutter click is pretty much undetectable. There is nothing worse than missing a shot of your fish because the shutter went off a fraction of a second too late after hitting the shutter button. Many cameras these days are fast enough to focus AND take the shot at what seems like the exact same time. So pay attention to this when test driving. Firing off an autofocused shot in the blink of an eye, or even multiple shots in a fraction of a second is another nice feature that separates a DSLR from a cheap point-and-shoot or smartphone camera.

    What else should you budget for?

    It's not just the camera and lens. Here's a few other things you will have to have.
    1. Memory Cards. I prefer two smaller ones over one huge one.
    2. Memory card reader
    3. Computer
    4. Software - I highly recommend Adobe Lightroom for organizing and processing your images.
    5. Online gallery hosting - I really like SmugMug. Nice interface, easy to use, the basic level pricing is a good deal and worth it. I do not recommend the freebies like PhotoBucket for serious photographers. The interface is horrible. Flicker used to be good, you may like it... I personally can't stand the new Facebook-like format of the galleries.
    6. Top-Down Camera Tube - These let you dip your lens into the water to get ultra-clear top-down shots of your coral. There is one from Building An Obsession that I personally own and has some nice features, and there is another available from Avast Marine.
    7. Tripod - I personally don't use a tripod very often at all when shooting my tank, but many people find them to be necessary. I think you can put this one off for now and see how you do without it. A good tripod can be quite expensive.
    OK, you've gotten this far and you are probably as confused as ever. I probably didn't give you the clear cut answer you were looking for, did I? This is because there really is no one-size-fits-all answer! To simplify it a bit… figure out your budget first. Then go test drive different brands of DSLRs... all shapes and sizes. Try to narrow it down to what feels good. Check out your favorites online, making sure their system will work for you. And don't fret too much over all the detailed reviews online trying to sort through all the different features of each. It's all fluff. If the camera lets you choose your own aperture, shutter speed, ISO and white balance... then you are set. I've got cameras of all shapes and sizes and in the end it's nearly impossible to tell which image came from which camera.

    That's pretty much it. The rest is up to you. Have fun!
    Next up... we'll go over some basics of using the manual controls of your shiny new toy!

    Which camera do I own?

    I have two. The first is a Nikon D800. This is my "pro" camera. This one gets the most use on the aquarium, and it's also my go-to camera for paying gigs. Top of the line quality images, but at the cost of MUCH more bulk/weight and huge file sizes. I finally upgraded to the Nikon 105mm Macro VR lens after using the Tamron 90mm Macro for many years.

    The second camera is an Olympus EM-1. It's a 4/3 mirrorless camera, but one of the best you can get. It could be used on a pro shoot and it would be nearly impossible for you to tell which of my aquarium photos were taken with this vs the Nikon. This is the camera I tend to take with me on family outings due to the light weight and small size. The camera, several lenses and accessories can all fit in a small shoulder bag. Their 60mm Macro is a fantastic lens.



    Top down shot taken with the camera tube from Building An Obsession


    Close-up of a Desjardini Sailfin Tang eating LPS pellets off the mouth of a plate coral. Shot through the front glass.
     
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    Just bumping another great article by @d2mini! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!
     
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    Awesome info!
     
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    OK.... I gotta see #3 now. :D
     
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    A macro lens is on my list. I shoot w/ canon and bought the kit including the 18-55 mm and the 75-300 mm. I rarely use the 75-300 and the 18-55 doesn't zoom quite enough. Any articles on manual camera settings and photo composition for aquaria?
     
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    waiting on the next article in the series :)
     
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    I am an underwater photographer. I shoot with a Nikon D800 with a Nauticam housing and two Ike strobes. The apparatus is huge and heavy.... I call it, BoatAnchor2.0. But it does have a major advantage over a mirror less camera... no shutter lag, fast focus and super fast strobe recycle times. But none of those is much of an issue in aquarium photography.

    The article above is very good.
     
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    Would a Nikon d5300 be a good camera to get? Or is there a better one you would get in the 500-800 price range. I do like the idea of a flip screen so on those top down shots I don't have to be on a ladder. If so what lens would you recommend for macro shots of the tank?
     
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    Thanks, Pat!
    I agree... there are some nice advantages to full size dslr.
    That Olympus I mentioned though... I was shocked. It has a touch screen and if I touched the screen, it would focus (on the point i touched) and take the shot in a fraction of a second. :)
    The technology these days is getting crazy.
    Olympus makes some great stuff... too bad they are sticking with the smaller m4/3 sensors.

    Any of Nikon's lineup will work these days. For the amateur photog it really just comes down to features. If you like the idea of the flip screen (it does come in handy) go for that one.

    Get the Tamron 90mm I mentioned in the article.
     
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    So I have a question. I finally dragged out my "real" camera. ( Canon 5DMKIII) and shots some images of the tank. RAW looks good but once I try and convert to JPG it goes really purple/ Blue/ redish ( awful) I used ACDSee for quick editing, not sure if it is the program that is reading more into the data than I see or what. Have you ever seen an issue with converting RAW to standard JPG and it really screwing up the color balance? ( cant recover it no matter how hard I try with the conversion)
     
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    I just picked it up last week. Loving it! Still need to learn more about using it though. Shots are really good from a tripod but I have to go handheld for top down. The depth of field is so narrow I wind up with the focus in the wrong spot. Any tips?
     
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    I haven't seen that happen. I usually don't go straight to jpg from raw but it shouldn't matter. (i add my watermark in photoshop so I export from raw to a high res photoshop file, then save a low res jpg copy.)
    The only thing I can think of is a color space problem. I convert to srgb when saving my jpg so that when I upload it to the internet the colors stay true and don't look all unsaturated and muddy.

    If you're camera allows you to move the location of your focus point, try that. You probably have to switch the camera to single point focus rather than multi-point or auto or whatever it has.
    Or just switch to manual focus.
    You can also choose a higher f-stop number which will make the focus range less shallow. Just know that this will decrease your shutter speed. You can try increasing your ISO to compensate if needed.
     
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    Great article write up. Thanks !!
     
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    Outstanding article--SO informative! Thanks so much for your time spent providing this information. Really appreciate it.
     
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    I went ahead and got the latest model of the Tamron 90 with VC (Vibration Compensation as their brand labels it). Really, really looking forward to shooting with it. I have a Sigma 17-70 DC Macro and I don't think it's the intended lens for getting good coral shots. Total rookie here, I am sure other people could do magical things with it. :)

    Thanks a ton for the article! It was a great help.
     
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    Very good write up and a wealth of information. Look forward to more write ups like this in the future.

    Cheers,
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    OK so I just bought the Nikon d5300. Been reading up on it and it has some really cool features that I think I will like. I didn't get the macro lens yet, wanted to get the camera in hand first and play around with it. Next question is about photo editing software. I know you recommended lightroom but I was wondering if there are any others that are just as good. I was looking around and it seems adobe has gone to a rental cloud based format and a lot of people seem to be upset with that. I don't really want to get into a monthly subscription for something that I don't know if I will use all that much. For a pro the monthly thing might be alright if they use it every day but it seems the monthly thing would eliminate most amateur photographers.
     
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    Lightroom tends to go on sale every now and then. I got it for under $100 when I finally bought it. I really like it a lot. Only thing I wish it had was the ability to put notes/text on images.
     
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    Ya the cloud thing sucks. Lightroom is subscription only now, you can't purchase it outright. Imagine the costs involved for a company of 20+ designers, all needing their own FULL cloud subscription.
    The graphic design company I work for is still using Cs5 which is like 8 years old! Seriously annoying.
    Actually though, the Photoshop and Lightroom sub is a STEAL compared to their other software. If I wanted just Adobe Illustrator, that would cost me $30/month. :eek:
    Here's some other photo software options...
    https://havecamerawilltravel.com/photographer/lightroom-alternatives
     
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