Disease coincides

[awwinterfall]

Is it just me or...

Every time I buy from certain online stores and lfs, the fish always die . No matter how I quarantine. This includes certain reputable sellers too!

When I buy from other stores, the fish always survive and are disease free.

Does anybody else have this issue or is it just me?

I'm thinking it's either uronema or viral disease.

 

[christinna77]

How do you usually acclimate? Is it possible these stores keep their fish in very low salinity?

 

[awwinterfall]

How do you usually acclimate? Is it possible these stores keep their fish in very low salinity?

I take them out of the bag and put them in a bucket of salt water at 1.018 with acriflavine for 10 minutes. Then I put them in a quarantine with copper

 

[christinna77]

I take them out of the bag and put them in a bucket of salt water at 1.018 with acriflavine for 10 minutes. Then I put them in a quarantine with copper

And your quarantine tank runs at 1.018 salinity too? I'm just trying to understand how much of a shock the fish goes through in its first hour.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Is it just me or...

Every time I buy from certain online stores and lfs, the fish always die . No matter how I quarantine. This includes certain reputable sellers too!

When I buy from other stores, the fish always survive and are disease free.

Does anybody else have this issue or is it just me?

I'm thinking it's either uronema or viral disease.

There probably isn’t a single cause of this. As noted, death soon after acquisition is often from transport or acclimation stress.

As far as trying to determine if dealers are introducing a problem, the supply chain is so convoluted that problems can change from shipment to shipment, depending on the source of the fish.

One thing to avoid are dealers that “double bounce”; they import a group of fish and then start shipping them right back out the next day.

 

[Kooma]

Stress from a box being tossed around is likely the main factor.

Personally I’ll never buy a fish online and ship it. I’d rather drive 3 hours each way to a store I can see the fish in.

 

[jadedog]

Im 2/4 of fish I bought online. I even paid for fully quarantine fish that die 3 days later after receiving them. Honestly shipping fish imo is a gamble.

 

[vetteguy53081]

And your quarantine tank runs at 1.018 salinity too? I'm just trying to understand how much of a shock the fish goes through in its first hour.

This is not a cause and the 1.018 is typical in stores to reduce disease chances while it does not stop it in whole. Wont cause shock

 

[vetteguy53081]

Stress from a box being tossed around is likely the main factor.

Personally I’ll never buy a fish online and ship it. I’d rather drive 3 hours each way to a store I can see the fish in.

I have over 40 fish and 70% are shipped. A box tossed around which they rarely are (as I work for a major airline) is not a factor. Ive seen them loaded and they are treated different than luggage and fish are bouyant within water. I have however seen boxes sit on ramp for a few hours, thereby going through temperature changes as well as fish releasing feces in bag water and not using pure oxygen with bagging

 

[DexterKarin]

I have the opposite. All the fish I have bought in stores have died but one. The one is my oldest clown that came in with ick. All the fish I bought from an online vender that quarantined are alive but one that jumped out after 6 months.

 

[awwinterfall]

The only symptoms is heavy breathing and it's contagious. Usually quarantine residents will also get infected.

Ammonia was tested and zero

 

[awwinterfall]

I have the opposite. All the fish I have bought in stores have died but one. The one is my oldest clown that came in with ick. All the fish I bought from an online vender that quarantined are alive but one that jumped out after 6 months.

Certain stores have the same problem for me

 

[christinna77]

And your quarantine tank runs at 1.018 salinity too? I'm just trying to understand how much of a shock the fish goes through in its first hour.

This is not a cause and the 1.018 is typical in stores to reduce disease chances while it does not stop it in whole. Wont cause shock

OP didn't mention the bag salinity, just what their dip is at. I was just curious whether the QT is also at 1.018 or at normal 1.025. Dropping a freshly shipped fish from whatever salinity it's in to 1.018 for 10 minutes, and then possibly back up to 1.025, could be a contributing stress factor.

 

[vetteguy53081]

OP didn't mention the bag salinity, just what their dip is at. I was just curious whether the QT is also at 1.018 or at normal 1.025. Dropping a freshly shipped fish from whatever salinity it's in to 1.018 for 10 minutes, and then possibly back up to 1.025, could be a contributing stress factor.

This is where acclimation plays a role equalizing the specific gravity and even PH at minimum.