DIY Three Part with Balling Part C Recipe

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Thanks for putting this together, Miami!

I’ll also note that one can use Aquaforest Mineral Salt in place of Balling Part C. I expect the amount needed is likely the same, but might vary a bit based on moisture levels in the two sodium chloride free salt mixes.
 
Really appreciate the time and effort gone into this.

Which trace elements do you recommend in conjunction?

I plan to go with the Recipe#1 and from what I can read the trace elements in part C are to keep it balanced but won't allow for consumption?

Currently I've been using Tropic Marin Pro-coral mineral and balancing the dosage from the iodine result. Is this something you could recommend continuing? I did read that this is based on trust in your selected brand. Maybe some blind luck required among water changes.

Tia
Ben
 
Tropic Marin A & K is a good option. You’d add Trace A to the alkalinity solution and Trace K to the calcium solution:

80mL low demand, 160mL medium demand, or 330mL high demand system.


If you use baking soda/sodium bicarbonate for the alk, use this:

40mL low demand, 80mL medium demand, and 165mL high demand.
 
I'm hoping to get a few things clarified from either Miami or Randy when it comes to using these recipes with Aquaforest products when using the sodium bicarbonate version of the above.

The recipe above for sodium bicarbonate (302grams in 1 US gallon) matches almost perfectly with Aquaforests recommendation for their KH buffer (which is sodium bicarbonate) at 80g per liter (so 302.8gram). That's easy enough.

However things diverge dramatically at the calcium chloride instructions. Randy and Miami suggest 250 grams per US gallon, whereas Aquaforest suggests 50g per liter, or 189.25 grams per US gallon. That's a difference of over 25%, yet both Randy and Aquaforest say their number should be dosed in a 1/1 ratio with the above identical sodium bicarbonate. How can that be?

The issue becomes more problematic when dealing with Part C (reef mineral salt) and trace elements. Aquaforest says to use 25g of reef mineral salt for every 50g of calcium chloride (effectively dosing it at 0.5X of calcium chloride). That would mean, if I use Randy's calcium calculation, I should use 125g per 1 US gallon. But Aquaforest says to use 25g per liter, or 94.6g per US. Gallon. 94.6g vs 125g is once again over 25% difference. Yet Randy also says in one of the above posts that you can use about the same amount of reef mineral salt as tropic marin part C, which is 91g. So how much should I use? the Aquaforest 94.6g or the 0.5X calcium concentration of 125g?

And this gets even more confusing when trying to use Aquaforest Component Strong A,B and C for trace element supplementation. Aquaforest says "5 ml should be added to 1 litre of ready solution of calcium chloride", but that is presumably based on their 50g per liter (189.25g per gallon) calcium concentration mix. So should I use that or increase it by about 25%? And if I should increase that, should I also increase the amount added to the sodium bicarbonate, which is identical to what Randy and Miami recommend?

BTW, I would just use Tropic Marin Part C and Tropic Marin A and K instead, if only to not have to worry about this, but none of my LFSs are able to bring in Tropic Marin anymore and Aquaforest is pretty much the only game in town unless I want to order online, and very few online retailers in Canada stock the large volumes of Tropic marin products (and they tend to be far more expensive here to boot!)

Finally, if I want to add dry magnesium to the Part C/Reef mineral salt and I am adding approximately 205ml of magnesium per gallon of calcium used, does that equate to 69.6g of magnesium chloride and 6.7 grams of magnesium sulfate added to the reef mineral salt or did I calculate that incorrectly? Also, that is for the BRS magnesium sulfate. I haven't found how much magnesium sulfate heptahydrate (epson salt) is required in weight, only in cups. Can you let me know how much the 3/4 of a cup of magnesium sulfate would be in grams in when using epsom salts?
 
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My recipe uses calcium chloride dihydrate, or 77% calcium chloride by weight. I don’t know the hydration level of their calcium chloride, but it can easily be different.
 
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I have a question I am going to start using the brs tropic Marin balling method adding A & K to alkalinity and calcium and also dosing component C my question is can I continue to use sodium hydroxide as my alk part as I need the ph boost also do I have to change the amount of component c to rodi water if I use sodium hydroxide thanks
 
my question is can I continue to use sodium hydroxide as my alk part as I need the ph boost also do I have to change the amount of component c to rodi water if I use sodium hydroxide thanks
Yes. That’s exactly what this thread was made for.

283 grams sodium hydroxide/gal
500 grams BRS Calcium Chloride/gal
182 grams Balling Part C/gal

And then the trace which you already know.
 
Yes. That’s exactly what this thread was made for.

283 grams sodium hydroxide/gal
500 grams BRS Calcium Chloride/gal
182 grams Balling Part C/gal

And then the trace which you already know.
Just to clarify, can you add TM A- Elements to the sodium hydroxide?

Can it cause precipitation issues?
 
I expect that anything that is ok in the carbonate recipe is ok in hydroxide, but you can always check to be sure the solution remains clear after mixing.
 
Yes. That’s exactly what this thread was made for.

283 grams sodium hydroxide/gal
500 grams BRS Calcium Chloride/gal
182 grams Balling Part C/gal

And then the trace which you already know.
just to clarify about the balling part c I dose double the amount of my all correct? for example if I'm dosing 100 ml of all it would be 200 ml of part c ? I am also dosing kalwasser 24/7 at a rate of 3ml per minute
 
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The standard tropic marine instruction is 91g/gal. This is when using sodium bicarbonate. Dosing 1:1

If you use sodium carbonate or sodium hydroxide, use 182g per gal. Dose 1:1


There is no 100mL alk per 200mL in the recipe. It’s easier to have them all the same concentration so you can replenish the solutions at the same time.

Kalkwasser is balanced, so don’t add part c to the alk added from that.
Thank you
 
Afternoon Reefers. I need some clarification here before i send it and crash my reef.

I plan to mix the solutions 20 liters at a time and confused myself with the above comments about's the third part. In the future when money permits i plan to separate out the trace and dose individually.

Solution 1:
1496g Sodium Hydroxide
100 ml FM Trace 3 - Potassium, Iodine, Bromine, stabilizers. Based on inorganic compounds

Solution 2:
2643g Calcium Chloride
120ml FM Trace 2 - Iron, Manganese, copper, nickel, zinc, chromium
200ml FM Trace 1 - Potassium, strontium, boron, selenium, rubidium, vanadium, fluorine

Solution 3:
962g AF Mineral salt
6792g Magnesium Chloride
900g Magnesium Sulfate

Does this look about right?
 
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