Do I need an RO Booster Pump?

Low pressure will cause both low output and higher TDS from membrane. Look at the spec on your membrane, it will say something like 97% rejection. That means if your TDS going into the membrane is 150, you should expect to see about 5 coming out. You shouldn't expect to see less. If you see more that means your pressure, temperate or membrane is off. I will usually flush the membrane before making any decisions on it's performance.

I had a 150GPD that produced about 75GPD and had 92% rejection. Water came slow, DI resin went fast... I got a booster and everything worked perfectly. I will recoup the cost of the booster just in DI savings alone.
THanks for the input. I'm not burning through DI cartriges particularly fast. I usually get about 8 months before I start to see the color change.
 
8 months is good. One other thing to consider is to get an inline TDS for the DI resin instead of counting on the color change. Measuring for when the TDS leaving the DI is greater than going into the DI is the best way to know the resin is spent.

The color change is pretty worthless. For example, on my current load of DI, the color changed after like 100 gallons. Now at 500+ gallons, the TDS is still decreasing so it's still good.
 
8 months is good. One other thing to consider is to get an inline TDS for the DI resin instead of counting on the color change. Measuring for when the TDS leaving the DI is greater than going into the DI is the best way to know the resin is spent.

The color change is pretty worthless. For example, on my current load of DI, the color changed after like 100 gallons. Now at 500+ gallons, the TDS is still decreasing so it's still good.

I have that as well. I use an inline TDS meter between the preflters and the DI and another after the DI. I replace the DI anytime the Final TDS goes above zero, or when the color change starts... whichever happens first
 
I have that as well. I use an inline TDS meter between the preflters and the DI and another after the DI. I replace the DI anytime the Final TDS goes above zero, or when the color change starts... whichever happens first

That's cool. I guess what I was just saying is that I don't even look at the color change any more and just reply on the final TDS. The color change happens soooo soon in the process that you may be wasting a bunch of the DI by prematurely changing it.
 
That's cool. I guess what I was just saying is that I don't even look at the color change any more and just reply on the final TDS. The color change happens soooo soon in the process that you may be wasting a bunch of the DI by prematurely changing it.

I'd rather be safe and spend the $40 to swap out all of my filter early than to let them go and have a huge algae problem
 
I use BRS DI resin and find that the color change component works very well. DI output TDS starts to rise from zero within 10 gallons after the color change media has turned brown.
 
I'm using the refillable DI chamber and resin from BRS as well. No complaints here
 
I see lots of questionable advice here.

For one you will not see any more pressure at the washing machine than you will at any other faucet in the house unless you have a pressure regulator somewhere. The pipes are all connected together so its the same through out. Installig a gate valve does not raise pressure. What the person showed this poster was in high flow conditions restricting the flow did raise the pressure back closer to the static pressure but you cannot raise it above that point. A RO/DI uses about one quart of water per minute tops including waste and treated flow combined so that flow will have little effect on pressure. If I stuck the RO membrane on a hose with an open end then yes plugging that open end would get the pressure back closer to static conditions.

Most domestic well systems are set at about 30 psi which is sufficient for most household use but too low to run an RO membrane with any level of efficiency. 40 psi is about the bare minimum and 60-80 is preferred.

You want the pressure gauge after the carbon block but before the RO membrane so you are measuring the pressure available to the membrane, this also gives you an indication of prefilter andcarbon fouling or plugging if you have sediment of particulate problems.

A booster pump is a wise investment if you have low pressures as it will greatly increase the RO rejection rate or removal efficiency and make your DI last many times longer.
Warming the water is not wise for a couple reasons. Remember being in the shower and someone started the washer on cold or flushed the toilet? You got your tush scalded and thats the same thing that happens to the RO membrane. Membranes cannot tolerate anything over 113 degrees or it will melt the thin plastic membrane fabric alsmot immediately. Also cold water treats better than warm water since it is more dense or less viscous. It will give you lower TDS from the membrane than warm water at the same pressure. Always take increased pressure over warmer water. The Aquatec 8800 is the best booster you can buy. Make sure when you are comparing prices that the 24v DC power supply and pressure switch is included, some price it seperately so get you in the end.

Again a 75 GPD RO membrane usesabout a quart a minute so open the ball valve or inlet valve all the way. There is really no such thing as too much pressure on a RO membrane, they are rated at over 150 psi working pressure and higher. I run my booster between 90 and 100 always to get the best rejection rate and production.

Handheld TDS meters are much preferred over inlines. The inlines are not temperature compensated so can be as much as 2% off for every degree C difference between the air and water temperature. The temp probe is actually inside the fat part of the probe behind the little rectangular hole you see so it reads air and not water and they are rarely the same. Plus with the inlines you are dedicated to two points and will not work portable since it needs flow past the probe inside the tee. A handheld can measure the tap, RO only, RO/DI, your ATO container, the LFS, the grocery store vending mcahine, your buddies systems etc. Much more handy and accurate too.

Most color changing resins are a rough guide as to condition only. They either turn colors too late, in streaks or layers or not at all. They add dyes to color changing resins which shows up as TDS too if you didn't know that. Always use a handheld TDS meter for low range accuracy.

Many vendors tried the 150 GPD membranes and many discontinued them for several reasons. Spectrapure tried them for a time but could not get ahrdly any of them to pass their quality control checks and rarely did the ygive 98% rejection, most were way low. They also require a minimum of 65 psi to produce anywhere near 150 GPD. Heck i get 120+ out of a 75 GPD Dow membrane at 95 psi and better than 99% rejection. I tried a 150 about 4 years ago and was one of the lucky few who got one that worked. Spectrapure had to tes ta bunch of them before finding one for me. I later sold it though and got a boosted system and am happier.

When checking your TDS alwasy test at three points. Since the RO membrane is the workhorse of the system and does 98% of the work you need to know how well it is performing, you could get 0 TDS final water and the membrane is doing squat making the DI carry the bulk of the load. Test tap water TDS and RO only TDS to calculate your rejection rate then take the RO/DI TDS to check your DI resin condition. Something to keep in mind is for every 2% you can increase your membrane efficiency or rejection rate, you will DOULBL the life of your DI resin. An efficient membrane or booster pump will pay for itself quickly if you make much water at all in DI savings alone.
 
Thanks for the detailed writeup AZDesertRat! Sounds like it's a good idea to have based on my symptoms and with the fact that I have well water and therefore I'm probably facing less than optimal pressure.

On a side note... do you know if the Aquatec 8800 has been discontinued, or if BRS just no longer stocks it? It's been out of stock at BRS for over a month
 
The Aquatec is a very popular item and many vendors run out often, I think they just can't keep up with demand. You might try www.Spectrapure.com and they price it with the power supply and pressure switch included I believe. Its where mine came from. I believe Russ at www.buckeyefieldsupply.com and www.purelyh2o.com carries them too
 
wow im impressed with the write up, need to look at the friends setup again i guess, just know he showed me the tds meter showing 0 and no booster on city water. it was gate valve down and my rodi is a slow streams, his good water had a better stream then my reject water on mine.
 
Take a look at this tap water TDS, RO only TDS and final RO/DI TDS readings. Things that affect a RO membrane are incoming pressure, temperature, waste ratio and tap TDS. Any or all of those can be different than yours so like I keep preaching, you need to fine tune your RO or RO/DI to fit your exact conditions with things like a capillary tube flow restrictor so you get conditions perfect. He may not be wasting enough fouling his membrane prematurely or his water may be warmer or pressure higher, they all make a difference.
 
Just installed the boost pump and set the pressure to 80 PSI (recommended to extend the life of the seals.) RO product water now 1 TDS (a 300% improvement, cross checked inline meter with handheld.) Although I haven't done a timed measurement, I'd estimate water production has more than doubled.

Prior to installation of the boost pump, my pressure ranged from 35~60 PSI depending on the accumulator charge, producing water averaging ~3 TDS from the RO. This should about triple the performance/longevity of my DI resin. :bigsmile:
 
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My TDS was 0 before and after the installation of the booster pump, but the pressure to the RO now remains a constant 70psi and the output volume of water is SIGNIFICANTLY greater than before the pump - definitely a worthwhile investment.
 
Just installed the boost pump and set the pressure to 80 PSI (recommended to extend the life of the seals.) RO product water now 1 TDS (a 300% improvement, cross checked inline meter with handheld.) Although I haven't done a timed measurement, I'd estimate water production has more than doubled.

Prior to installation of the boost pump, my pressure ranged from 35~60 PSI depending on the accumulator charge, producing water averaging ~3 TDS from the RO. This should about triple the performance/longevity of my DI resin. :bigsmile:

Good to hear! Looks like I ought to look into one.
 

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