Dosing Cipro

[reefmaster70]

Hi all. Well, I got it....BJD. I brought in a new Acan Lords a week ago, and everything was looking good, but then a few days later I noticed brown jelly across the back of it., It has also spread to a nearby Euphyllia garden that had 9 heads of frogspawn and 3 purple/green hammers. Anyway, I have read enough to know what to do for the most part. I took the acan out and treated immediately to an iodine dip, and blew off areas with a turkey baster, then a new batch of iodine and did the same with my hammer/frogspawn garden. I put the acan into my QT tank, and it was retracted, but still had decent color, I was hopeful, but realistic. Sure enough 3 days later it was entirely gone. Dang. My hammer and frogspawn however has blossomed back up after 2 iodine dips a few days apart. I did lose 3 frogspawn heads, but all the rest are looking good.

Now, I do have a few 500mg tablets I just picked up from my vet of Cipro. I have read articles on how to use them and how much water to add a 500mg tablet to, BUT I do NOT know how much to dose a 20 gallon reef tank. I want to dose the tank the next few days to treat the water, and just as a precaution for my Euph. garden yet, and I do have a fairly new Torch in the tank too. Can anyone give me guidance on how much of the Cipro treated RO water I should dose for a 20g tank?

Thanks for any insight.

 

[Rocks reef]

You only want about 10mg cipro. Dosed after lights out, day 1, 3, and 5.
Mix 500mg cipro and 500ml RO, then dose 10ml at a time.

 

[Rocks reef]

Oh, I should have asked. Is 20 gallon your total water volume?

 

[kevgib67]

Typically it calls for 500mg per 20g.

 

[reefmaster70]

Oh, I should have asked. Is 20 gallon your total water volume?

With Rock displacement it's probably a bit less than 20g total. But tank is 20g. I'd say probably 18 gallons of water

 

[Rocks reef]

Typically it calls for 500mg per 20g.

I think he was going to do a longer course. If not, you can most certainly dose it at 500mg

 

[Rocks reef]

With Rock displacement it's probably a bit less than 20g total. But tank is 20g. I'd say probably 18 gallons of water

Have a read through this thread sir

In tank cipro dosing

In Tank Cipro treatment simplified. This is used for brown jelly disease. Can be use for other things like torch bacteria infection.This is how I did it simplify from the Original thread. I have to give credit to the original thread because they help me treat brown-jelly disease in my tank and...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[reefmaster70]

I think he was going to do a longer course. If not, you can most certainly dose it at 500mg

No, it'll be a short course, and am thinking of dosing daily at lights out.

 

[reefmaster70]

So I take out carbon and shut off UV?

 

[kevgib67]

So I take out carbon and shut off UV?

Carbon and protein skimmer.

 

[VintageReefer]

I am going through this now and had to aggressively stop bjd from spreading in the tank. I lost two healthy colonies because a single bad (new) torch declined and introduced it.

This is what I started with from post 1 of the linked thread. My tank is 80g of volume and I used 300L of water for my formula

Add 500mg tablet into 50ml of rodi water. Mix well. If possible store in a dark container or anything that is not clear so cipro doesn’t degrade. When mixed store in fridge.

Calculate how much
(Amount tank water in liters) multiple by (.125) divide by 10. In mL.

My dosage then is 3.75ml out of my 50ml cup of medicine, dosed nightly, on nights 1,3, 6

Instead, I am dosing 5ml, morning, afternoon, and night, every day, and I’m doing this for a 10 day run

I am on day 5 of this. Around day 3-4 I noticed huge improvements in my system Not only did the bjd stop spreading and reappearing, but I noticed improvement across the board on corals in the system. Corals fatter and plumper, extending more, and looking healthier.

I have tried the reccomended process in the past and it did not help. This time, I decided to go aggressive. If I dose at night it helps but by afternoon or the next evening it comes back and I have more losses. The gap is too large. Or the dose is too small. Something about the “once every other night” formula just doesn’t work in my experience.

I am seeing actual results, taking my calculated amounts, tripling the daily schedule, and repeating daily.

I have zero zero zero negative effects. On any type of coral or inhabitant.

Things literally look better than ever. Acans that were kinda flat, are now poofy. Torch branches have thickened and extend more. one torch that has a fleshband and just not opened despite multiple dips, is starting to open. Trachys and Cynarina are inflating better. Zoa colonies that had random sections not open, are open. PE on acros is present again.

I believe I have eliminated bjd and have not seen reoccurrence, and I’m continuing another 5 days to be sure. If I cause a problem with beneficial bacteria, I have live bacteria I’ll add back in.


And in answer to the question on UV - no UV. Intense light breaks down the cipro, so it’s believed UV light will have a negative effect. No UV, no carbon, no skimmer - or turn down skimmer waterline so it’s aerating but not producing skimmate.

 

[reefmaster70]

Thank you for that informed response. I have just mixed up 500mg of Cipro with 50ml of RO water. I like your aggressive approach. Do you think I should UP the amount of Cipro in my 50ml of water? I am planning on dosing everyday for the next 5 days. I currently do not see any BJD on anything in my tank, and the head of the torch I treated yesterday, that had a tiny spot on it, is fully open today, I did a couple magnifier lens checks and see no BJD right now. I am still going to dose the tank, as I know the water column has that bacteria in it now.

 

[VintageReefer]

Thank you for that informed response. I have just mixed up 500mg of Cipro with 50ml of RO water. I like your aggressive approach. Do you think I should UP the amount of Cipro in my 50ml of water? I am planning on dosing everyday for the next 5 days. I currently do not see any BJD on anything in my tank, and the head of the torch I treated yesterday, that had a tiny spot on it, is fully open today, I did a couple magnifier lens checks and see no BJD right now. I am still going to dose the tank, as I know the water column has that bacteria in it now.

When you see bjd - that is a a symptom of infection. It means you are almost at the point of too late. You want to prevent bjd ideally, instead of let it develop then fight it off

For bjd to develop, bacteria need to get in spots and proliferate and create an infection. It’s best to attack them early before they multiply and gain strength.

It can appear there is no bjd but you can’t see what’s going on as far as the steps leading up to it. It’s very quick to develop, an it can appear gone and redevelop.

I don’t know if more cipro is needed in the solution, or just more frequent dosing. Either way, we are using more cipro. I’m going for adding more cipro by increasing dosing frequency vs making a higher concentration solution. I’m not sure if one way is better than another. But what I’m doing has not shown any negative effects.

 

[reefmaster70]

So I took 75 liters (20g) x .125. And then divided by 10. And my outcome was .93

So I assume that is basically just shy of 1ML dose in my tank??? Is that correct?

 

[twentyleagues]

I am going through this now and had to aggressively stop bjd from spreading in the tank. I lost two healthy colonies because a single bad (new) torch declined and introduced it.

This is what I started with from post 1 of the linked thread. My tank is 80g of volume and I used 300L of water for my formula

Add 500mg tablet into 50ml of rodi water. Mix well. If possible store in a dark container or anything that is not clear so cipro doesn’t degrade. When mixed store in fridge.

Calculate how much
(Amount tank water in liters) multiple by (.125) divide by 10. In mL.

My dosage then is 3.75ml out of my 50ml cup of medicine, dosed nightly, on nights 1,3, 6

Instead, I am dosing 5ml, morning, afternoon, and night, every day, and I’m doing this for a 10 day run

I am on day 5 of this. Around day 3-4 I noticed huge improvements in my system Not only did the bjd stop spreading and reappearing, but I noticed improvement across the board on corals in the system. Corals fatter and plumper, extending more, and looking healthier.

I have tried the reccomended process in the past and it did not help. This time, I decided to go aggressive. If I dose at night it helps but by afternoon or the next evening it comes back and I have more losses. The gap is too large. Or the dose is too small. Something about the “once every other night” formula just doesn’t work in my experience.

I am seeing actual results, taking my calculated amounts, tripling the daily schedule, and repeating daily.

I have zero zero zero negative effects. On any type of coral or inhabitant.

Things literally look better than ever. Acans that were kinda flat, are now poofy. Torch branches have thickened and extend more. one torch that has a fleshband and just not opened despite multiple dips, is starting to open. Trachys and Cynarina are inflating better. Zoa colonies that had random sections not open, are open. PE on acros is present again.

I believe I have eliminated bjd and have not seen reoccurrence, and I’m continuing another 5 days to be sure. If I cause a problem with beneficial bacteria, I have live bacteria I’ll add back in.


And in answer to the question on UV - no UV. Intense light breaks down the cipro, so it’s believed UV light will have a negative effect. No UV, no carbon, no skimmer - or turn down skimmer waterline so it’s aerating but not producing skimmate.

This is basically what I did. I only dosed one time a day and I dosed 1.5x the calculated dose for 10 days every day. Skimmer off do not use carbon usually. After day 10 I stopped dosing and waited 1 more day and turned skimmer back on and added some carbon. After 3 days I did a 30% water change. Half way through the dosing all corals looked great and flesh bands had started to regrow and those that had good flesh bands were really puffy and healthy looking. I dont know why I was so hesitant to do this.

 

[twentyleagues]

This is basically what I did. I only dosed one time a day and I dosed 1.5x the calculated dose for 10 days every day. Skimmer off do not use carbon usually. After day 10 I stopped dosing and waited 1 more day and turned skimmer back on and added some carbon. After 3 days I did a 30% water change. Half way through the dosing all corals looked great and flesh bands had started to regrow and those that had good flesh bands were really puffy and healthy looking. I dont know why I was so hesitant to do this.

I should have added there was 0 negative visible effects. If any good bacteria were wiped out my corals and fuge handled any excess ammonia. I dont have a huge fish load and they all look good as well. Cuc fine. I have a lot of corals. I did notice an influx of aiptasia but I also had a power outage just before I did the cipro, which was a stress event and probably caused the bjd to reemerge along with a probable aiptasia spawn. There was 0 bad in doing this that I can tell at this time. I think I finally did this in may after months of fighting, pulling corals out into separate qt tank to run cipro only to have bjd pop up over and over.

 

[reefmaster70]

Thank.yoi everyone for your advice and quick help. I was able to get Cipro from my vet, didn't even chargee for it. Gave me 8 pills. I dosedy tank twice a day, morning and then again at lights off. Had skimmer and uv sterilizer off, and no carbon running. My one head of frogspawn that had a little BJD has come back and the two heads practically touching that one never got it. My hammers that were also on the same rock have shown no issues either and fully inflated. I did a water change on day 8 and started my skimmer and sterilizer back up, out carbon back in and dosed some amino acids. Everything looks good. Here's a top down pic:

 

[maricelH]

I am going through this now and had to aggressively stop bjd from spreading in the tank. I lost two healthy colonies because a single bad (new) torch declined and introduced it.

This is what I started with from post 1 of the linked thread. My tank is 80g of volume and I used 300L of water for my formula

Add 500mg tablet into 50ml of rodi water. Mix well. If possible store in a dark container or anything that is not clear so cipro doesn’t degrade. When mixed store in fridge.

Calculate how much
(Amount tank water in liters) multiple by (.125) divide by 10. In mL.

My dosage then is 3.75ml out of my 50ml cup of medicine, dosed nightly, on nights 1,3, 6

Instead, I am dosing 5ml, morning, afternoon, and night, every day, and I’m doing this for a 10 day run

I am on day 5 of this. Around day 3-4 I noticed huge improvements in my system Not only did the bjd stop spreading and reappearing, but I noticed improvement across the board on corals in the system. Corals fatter and plumper, extending more, and looking healthier.

I have tried the reccomended process in the past and it did not help. This time, I decided to go aggressive. If I dose at night it helps but by afternoon or the next evening it comes back and I have more losses. The gap is too large. Or the dose is too small. Something about the “once every other night” formula just doesn’t work in my experience.

I am seeing actual results, taking my calculated amounts, tripling the daily schedule, and repeating daily.

I have zero zero zero negative effects. On any type of coral or inhabitant.

Things literally look better than ever. Acans that were kinda flat, are now poofy. Torch branches have thickened and extend more. one torch that has a fleshband and just not opened despite multiple dips, is starting to open. Trachys and Cynarina are inflating better. Zoa colonies that had random sections not open, are open. PE on acros is present again.

I believe I have eliminated bjd and have not seen reoccurrence, and I’m continuing another 5 days to be sure. If I cause a problem with beneficial bacteria, I have live bacteria I’ll add back in.


And in answer to the question on UV - no UV. Intense light breaks down the cipro, so it’s believed UV light will have a negative effect. No UV, no carbon, no skimmer - or turn down skimmer waterline so it’s aerating but not producing skimmate.

Hi we’re doing the cipro treatment. Do you recommend to continue with our weekly water changes? We’re on day 5 of a 10 day treatment

 

[VintageReefer]

I didn’t do any water change

At the end I just added carbon back in my sump

 

[reefmaster70]

I did a 20% water change after a 7 day treatment course, where I dosed cipro twice a day, once first thing in morning, and then at night when lights went off.