Dying Torches BJD?

[Lavey29]

Actually I did pull out the coral that looks the worse and didn’t smell bad. It really just smelled like tank water. Usually that bad smell is pretty strong and it didn’t smell like that. There is a procedure for KFC in tank, you just have to be a subscriber to get the procedure.

Then perhaps it is not BJD. Could be some other bacteria infection, flatworms, or as mentioned previously euphyllia just sometimes lose a head here or there for unknown reasons. Frag it off.

 

[Lavey29]

I’ve been dosing nitrates and phosphates to try to get the nutrients up but taking it really slow. Could that be having a negative effect? Would Reef Roids be better?

It won't hurt a tank. I'm not a fan of reef roids either but it will raise phosphate.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Can anyone give any ideas on why torch heads just randomly die? All parameters are good but nutrients are low but have ALWAYS been low. Every coral looks good except one or two heads but the rest of colony is fine.

Generally too much flow, too much light in which zooxanthellae is expelled, high phosphates, use of tap water and pests.
Please post pics of coral in question under white light intensity- not blue

 

[Lavey29]

If you decide to cipro the tank, I used one 125mg pill dissolved in rodi. I dosed it at night with skimmer on but chemicals media out. 3 doses over a 6 day period so dose every other day after lights out.

 

[G’sReef]

It won't hurt a tank. I'm not a fan of reef roids either but it will raise phosphate.

Will it raise nitrate also? I just need something to increase nutrients safely

 

[G’sReef]

No I don't think the dosing is a problem. More likely they are stressed from low nutrients which is making them more susceptible.

The odor or lack there of may not really tell you much if there is not much dead tissue. In a system with vigorous water movement the dead stuff and slimy muck gets blown away pretty quickly. Image 5442 is without a doubt BJD and the other 5444 there is a little of brown stuff left down in the center of the dead head.

I know there is Cipro in the KFC but I don't know the concentration. I have tried other methods and only the Cipro seems to work so if the concentration is lower because of the other components then it may be less effective. If you have KFC then dipping out of the tank will certainly help but I think a tank treatment of straight Cipro is your best bet to stop the spread among heads and various corals.

AquanestBiotic ...can buy medications
Can get from Chewy but need a vet prescription.

I think you use 500mg of Ciprofloxacin in the KFC in tank procedure

 

[Shirak]

I think you use 500mg of Ciprofloxacin in the KFC in tank procedure

Yes for mixing with 4gal of water and making a dip.

You said you did a KFC in tank treatment. Did you use 500mg of cipro and dose once?

 

[Lavey29]

Will it raise nitrate also? I just need something to increase nutrients safely

Not that I know. Feeding fish more frozen food will though. I feed 3x per day. When my tank was new I had to double dose neophos and neonitro for multiple months before I got measurable numbers. What is your export process? Do you dry skim?

 

[KTTX]

IMO
Cut off bad heads.
Treat with Cipro.
Keep phosphate between 15-25 ppb
Keep nitrates between 4 and 10.

 

[Reef Puncher]

here is what you gotta do. same thing happened to me. i was able to save my last two torches, i lost the rest.


Its process of elimination.

Once you ruled out too much flow or light. Then you rule out water quality. lots of testing. if its determined that none of those are the issue. Then there are the two that have affected me in the past.
1.) Bacterial infection, the most likely culprit. Keep in mind there is more than BJD for infections. you wont always see the brown jelly and it could still have an infection. if this is thought to be the cause, you have to options
a.) full tank treatment. i dosed my tank in cipro, and installed a UV sterilizer. this fixed the problem for me.
b.) Out of tank treatment. KFC dip. either method will work. i prefer whole tank if you really think the problem is an infection. if your not sure if you have an infection, out of tank is the better option.

2.) Pests. months later (actually recently, just past few weeks) my torches started to look recessed and flat. i did a dip in revive, iodine, and hydrogen peroxide, one at a time. what happened next i would have never guessed. tons of tiny 5mm long bristleworms fell out of the inside of the torches. they literally buried themselves inside one of my torches, and on the other two were crawling all along the sides. my best guess is my target feeding was somehow drawing them in. i dont know. but they were bothering the hell out of torches. there is also flatworms and spiderbugs that can bother them.


for both these causes dips will help. but again, these two culprits must be the last options in the list of process of elimination. as 9/10 times flow or water quality is the problem. good luck!

 

[G’sReef]

Yes I used a 500mg pill and followed the instructions given.

 

[G’sReef]

Not that I know. Feeding fish more frozen food will though. I feed 3x per day. When my tank was new I had to double dose neophos and neonitro for multiple months before I got measurable numbers. What is your export process? Do you dry skim?

I was doing a 20 gallon water change every 2 weeks (125gal tank). I haven’t been skimming lately cause it just flowed over because of the dip. Only have 2 clowns right now.

 

[G’sReef]

here is what you gotta do. same thing happened to me. i was able to save my last two torches, i lost the rest.


Its process of elimination.

Once you ruled out too much flow or light. Then you rule out water quality. lots of testing. if its determined that none of those are the issue. Then there are the two that have affected me in the past.
1.) Bacterial infection, the most likely culprit. Keep in mind there is more than BJD for infections. you wont always see the brown jelly and it could still have an infection. if this is thought to be the cause, you have to options
a.) full tank treatment. i dosed my tank in cipro, and installed a UV sterilizer. this fixed the problem for me.
b.) Out of tank treatment. KFC dip. either method will work. i prefer whole tank if you really think the problem is an infection. if your not sure if you have an infection, out of tank is the better option.

2.) Pests. months later (actually recently, just past few weeks) my torches started to look recessed and flat. i did a dip in revive, iodine, and hydrogen peroxide, one at a time. what happened next i would have never guessed. tons of tiny 5mm long bristleworms fell out of the inside of the torches. they literally buried themselves inside one of my torches, and on the other two were crawling all along the sides. my best guess is my target feeding was somehow drawing them in. i dont know. but they were bothering the hell out of torches. there is also flatworms and spiderbugs that can bother them.


for both these causes dips will help. but again, these two culprits must be the last options in the list of process of elimination. as 9/10 times flow or water quality is the problem. good luck!

here is what you gotta do. same thing happened to me. i was able to save my last two torches, i lost the rest.


Its process of elimination.

Once you ruled out too much flow or light. Then you rule out water quality. lots of testing. if its determined that none of those are the issue. Then there are the two that have affected me in the past.
1.) Bacterial infection, the most likely culprit. Keep in mind there is more than BJD for infections. you wont always see the brown jelly and it could still have an infection. if this is thought to be the cause, you have to options
a.) full tank treatment. i dosed my tank in cipro, and installed a UV sterilizer. this fixed the problem for me.
b.) Out of tank treatment. KFC dip. either method will work. i prefer whole tank if you really think the problem is an infection. if your not sure if you have an infection, out of tank is the better option.

2.) Pests. months later (actually recently, just past few weeks) my torches started to look recessed and flat. i did a dip in revive, iodine, and hydrogen peroxide, one at a time. what happened next i would have never guessed. tons of tiny 5mm long bristleworms fell out of the inside of the torches. they literally buried themselves inside one of my torches, and on the other two were crawling all along the sides. my best guess is my target feeding was somehow drawing them in. i dont know. but they were bothering the hell out of torches. there is also flatworms and spiderbugs that can bother them.


for both these causes dips will help. but again, these two culprits must be the last options in the list of process of elimination. as 9/10 times flow or water quality is the problem. good luck!

I have done a in tank treatment and I’ve always had a UV Sterilizer. My nutrients has always been low. Never been able to keep them at proper levels but corals have always down great. Thanks for your advance.