Fish and Treatment Guidelines (with chart)

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A pretty good story for lymphocystis and that may certainly be one, though I don't know that I've heard of someone trying to remove them before haha.

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Thanks doc...you know what after seeing some of the pictures of lymphocystis on google i am darn sure it is indeed lympho...there isnt any cure just provide pristine condition and it should go away...fingers crossed...
 
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Hello Everyone - Question

I am currently doing the TTM and about to use PraziPro treatment before the 3rd transfer. I notice that one of the anthias has a red rash. Ammonia has been in check. I have other 5 anthias an none show signs. Can I use Melafix with PraziPro - or should I wait until the TTM period is over?

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Hello Everyone - Question

I am currently doing the TTM and about to use PraziPro treatment before the 3rd transfer. I notice that one of the anthias has a red rash. Ammonia has been in check. I have other 5 anthias an none show signs. Can I use Melafix with PraziPro - or should I wait until the TTM period is over?

Thank you.
I would wait until 12 hours after adding Prazipro to add any additional medications. You don't need to wait until the 4th transfer.
 

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Hi guys. I ve noticed a dull patch on my koran head (pic included). Can someone tell what this is? Am I suppose to be worried?

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The following chart is a quick reference guide on what QT protocol should be used according to which type of fish you are running through QT. It will give you an idea of which methods are generally safest with certain species but is not meant to be absolute in most cases. All fish are individuals and can and will react differently than the norm to certain medications or situations. Just because most tangs do well in copper doesn’t mean that every tang will do well. The chart is numbered in levels of tolerance/ease with each method according to the general experience of several knowledgeable people including myself, @4FordFamily, @Humblefish, @eatbreakfast, @evolved and @Brew12. I thank each of them for their input and help in putting this whole thing together. You will also find helpful advice and tips for QT’ing many of the fish in this chart that are deemed more difficult.

Acronyms used: TTM = Tank Transfer Method CP = Chloroquine Phosphate

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** Angels have been found to be even more sensitive to ammonia poisoning than most other fish so more care should be taken to keep ammonia absolutely absent from the tanks during tank transfer method. This is why they are marked with an elevated risk level with TTM. With copper (both kinds) most angels have been found to be relatively resilient in it provided the copper levels are slowly raised over the course of 4 or 5 days. Taking longer never hurts as long as velvet is not suspected.

** The marked wrasse in this section have been found to be tolerant of these copper products provided the levels are carefully risen to therapeutic levels over the course of 4-10 days. Watching carefully for tolerance issues since all fish are individuals and may react differently than the norm. No wrasses should be treated with CP until more testing can be done to understand why they seem to do so poorly.

** Wrasse in general should be allowed to settle and start eating for several days before copper treatment is started. While they can handle copper, it’s best to give them the time before hand for maximum chance of survival. If a wrasse has an injury or infection before going into QT, that “settling time” should be extended until the injury or infection has healed completely before starting copper. Provide a small glass dish of sand for the wrasse that bury at night to help keep them comfortable while in QT.

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** The harlequin tusk seems to be tolerant of all coppers but care must be taken with how quickly the levels are raised. Take 4-5 days to raise copper up to therapeutic levels and watch for tolerance issues

** I have kept lionfish in copper for long periods before without issue, but it's tricky to get them eating and keep them eating. Also, not all the lions attempted lasted in the copper. It seems that 2 out of 5 would do ok and the rest would perish rather quickly.

** I have kept puffers in copper for periods of time as well, but it was chelated copper and it was risky. They refused to eat for up to 2 weeks and had to be enticed using live foods and whole gulf cost shrimp. I didn't have the luxury of raising the levels slowly, so if it's absolutely needed to treat a puffer with copper, then do so slowly if possible.

**Some Zebrasoma tangs seem to be completely intolerant of copper. This is quickly decided if red blotches, loss of color or the refuse to eat while raising the copper levels. If this happens the fish should be removed into a QT with no copper in it until it resumes eating and it's color has returned. If it happens again after a second try in copper, another QT method should be used if possible.

If you have any questions on an individual species not listed here, please ask. Also, never be afraid to create a thread in the disease forum with QT questions as well.

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Very useful info. Thanks. 1 question. I have a koran angel and today i saw a faint patch on side head (see pic). Do u know what it is?

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Bump up vitamins in its' food and offer Nori seaweed and angel formula by ocean nutrition or similar. Looks like vitamin deficiency
 

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Bump up vitamins in its' food and offer Nori seaweed and angel formula by ocean nutrition or similar. Looks like vitamin deficiency
What do you mean bump up vitamins. I feed it different type of food. Mainly hikari, mysis, krill, seaweed. Am I missing something?
 

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What do you mean bump up vitamins. I feed it different type of food. Mainly hikari, mysis, krill, seaweed. Am I missing something?
Most foods have vitamins and aminos in it already.
You can as I do 2-3X per week, add liquid vitamins to food while thawing. I use Selcon, but there is brightwell vitamin supplement as well as kent Zoe and other vitamins on market. The content in fish foods is just not enough.
 

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Bump up vitamins in its' food and offer Nori seaweed and angel formula by ocean nutrition or similar. Looks like vitamin deficiency
What do you mean bump up vitamins. I feed it different type of food. Mainly hikari, mysis, krill, seaweed. Am I missing something?
Most foods have vitamins and aminos in it already.
You can as I do 2-3X per week, add liquid vitamins to food while thawing. I use Selcon, but there is brightwell vitamin supplement as well as kent Zoe and other vitamins on market. The content in fish foods is just not enough.
thanks. Will buy some tomorow
 

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Are blennies mentioned on this thread? Specifically black sailfin blenny. I normally use CP
 

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I have a blenny in CP right now. I asked somewhere and was told they are safe with CP.
 

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Fairy wrasses as a whole have been deemed safe for CP per talking to @Humblefish. Have two in CP right now with no problems.
+1 Cirrhilabrus & Halichoeres are both safe in CP. Jury is still out on all other genera of wrasses.
 

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When using copper does it kill nitrifying bacteria? So lots of water changes to keep ammonia down?
 
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When using copper does it kill nitrifying bacteria? So lots of water changes to keep ammonia down?
Yes, but surviving bacteria quickly repopulate themselves and become resistant to copper.
 

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When using copper does it kill nitrifying bacteria? So lots of water changes to keep ammonia down?
My experience is that a healthy biofilter can be maintained through a copper treatment. It is very difficult to establish a biofilter, even using bottled bacteria products, while copper is in the water.
 

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Hi, can you tell me about if using another treatment like Hikari Prazy pro at the end of copper treatmemt can affect both (treatments and fish).

Jonathan
 

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Prazi and copper can be run at the same time, although I personally avoid doing so and mixing medication.

It’s best in my experience to perform one treatment at a time.

If you suspect flukes when treating in copper, you can remove the fish and give a 5 minute freshwater dip (pH buffered). This will remove flukes without killing them on the fish (causing secondary infections).

It’s a much better approach than using prazi on a heavily infested fish straight away.
 

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https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/my-current-qt-process.483371/

Hi, can you tell me about if using another treatment like Hikari Prazy pro at the end of copper treatmemt can affect both (treatments and fish).

Jonathan
The link above shows our current process, you can use them concurrently just ensure lots of oxygen via bubbler and powerhead to be safe during treatment. But yes it’s common to use Prazi and copper on a fish prior to addition to the display tank.
 

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