HELP! Do I say my prayers now?

[Wibera]

I was completely new and I adopted 100 gallon tank from a guy at Work. With the tank and all the gizmos and gadgets came a purple tang.

I got the tank cycled. I got the purple tang and quickly did I realize this guy was an *******. He would bully just about anything I’d put in the tank, but slowly he would back off and just respect that they’re in the tank together.

I decided to introduce a powder brown, smaller and size than him three days ago and since then he’s not eaten a bite and has been getting bullied by the purple tang. The same day I also introduced 2 big 2” clown fish.

24 hours ago, I noticed the powder brown and the clowns are covered in what I believe is velvet. The clowns are eating and have been since day 1. Minor purple tang aggression but nothing really.

Without a QT tank should I just take them out of my tank ASAP and “donate” them! I don’t want to jeopardize the rest of my tank but I don’t want to panic if I’m just over thinking it.

What would you do.

 

[Wibera]

 

[fishguy242]

#fishmedic

 

[Fish Fan]

This seems more like Ich to me, and all fish would be infected, even if they are not yet showing symptoms. Would there be no way to start a QT tank? Even a fish safe plastic tub can work in a pinch.

 

[exnisstech]

I leave diagnosis to the medics.
I can't play the video on my end. If you don't have coral you can treat the DT with copper or run it hypo salinty. Instructions are in the disease forum.
Donating sick fish is a terrible idea. Even if you remove all the fish the tank is going to have to be run fallow before any new fish can be added.
100g is on the smaller side for a purple tang and definitely too small for a purple and a powder IMO. Even littie tangs grow into larger fish and I've found behaviour to change drastically after fish are a few years old. That cute little fish can turn into a terror when it gets 4-5"+ in size.

 

[ogtumblruser]

If you don't have a QT then yes, all your livestock will suffer the same unfortunately. I saw that wrasse in the beginning had some on it's face /: I will mention, I had good success with Ruby Reef Rally Pro in a qt. But i will say once a fishes immune system is fragile during recovery that anything that bothers them is usually fatal, so it's weeks in recovery, maybe months. Can't rush anything.

 

[Wibera]

 

[Wibera]

Thank you the information. Would it be stupid to wait until tomorrow to start a QT?

 

[ogtumblruser]

you can't just focus on him at this point, you have to treat the whole tank unfortunately ):

Thank you the information. Would it be stupid to wait until tomorrow to start a QT?

Tomorrow is fine, but the more you prolong it the worse it spreads.

 

[exnisstech]

Treatment is all or none as far as fish and the tank has to be treated or fallowed to prevent the same thing from happening when you add new fish.
Some reading material

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/hyposalinity.880546/

Not really recommended but is an option
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ich-management.1028274/


https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/current-quarantine-protocol.825055/

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/45-day-fallow-periods.805213/

 

[TheDorkLord]

I'm no fish doc, Sorry. I would say they're all right the previous comments are spot on though, and best wishes in treating them

I just wanted to chime in that you don't necessarily need to donate an aggressive fish. Not sure if you still have more to add, but might try setting up a temporary tank to move the butthead to. Once it's out, continue stocking the tank normally. Add it back only after everything else has been added and they've settled into your tank. It's hit or miss, though. But I think a lot of people try to add the most aggressive inhabitants last specifically in the hopes this will keep the aggression to a "minimum"

(For the record, not recommending two adult tangs in a 100g. In my very limited experience, the aggression will just keep both stressed. Tangs are a bit more ick prone. Stressed tangs are ick magnets. Sick fish spread ick. I know I'm wrong, but I believe even after a successful ick treatment in the tank, it's like being killed by a sheep. The chances are almost zero....but there is always a chance. So, I view it as once I've had ick, I always have it in my tank wether I see it or not. And stressed tangs are the perfect ick distribution vessel. The overall point being that it's possible this stocking could create a cycle of being sick over and over and over. Not trying to fear monger, I just err on the side of caution, personally)

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

-Edited for wording

 

[ogtumblruser]

I'm no fish doc, Sorry. I would say they're all right, though, and best wishes in treating them

I just wanted to chime in that you don't necessarily need to donate an aggressive fish. Not sure if you still have more to add, but might try setting up a temporary tank to move the butthead to. Once it's out, continue stocking the tank normally. Add it back only after everything else has been added and they've settled into your tank. It's hit or miss, though. But I think a lot of people try to add the most aggressive inhabitants last specifically in the hopes this will keep the aggression to a "minimum"

(For the record, not recommending two adult tangs in a 100g. In my very limited experience, the aggression will just keep both stressed. Tangs are a bit more ick prone. Stressed tangs are ick magnets. Sick fish spread ick. I know I'm wrong, but I believe even after a successful ick treatment in the tank, it's like being killed by a sheep. The chances are almost zero....but there is always a chance. So, I view it as once I've had ick, I always have it in my tank wether I see it or not. And stressed tangs are the perfect ick distribution vessel. The overall point being that it's possible this stocking could create a cycle of being sick over and over and over. Not trying to fear monger, I just err on the side of caution, personally)

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

these fish have ich, they're NOT alright lol

 

[TheDorkLord]

these fish have ich, they're NOT alright lol

Sorry, I meant that the previous commets are correct. Appologies for the confusion. editing wording

 

[vetteguy53081]

This does look like ich. You will need to treat with coppersafe at 2.2 ppm for all fish in the tank and monitor with a Hanna Brand copper test kit for a full 30 days and leave display tank without fish for 60 days, and inverts and coral can remain in display tank.

 

[Boxed Fish]

one things ive noticed when fish gets bullied and or stressed out they can change colors and create these spots or blotches. it may look like ich but can just be stress related as the slime coat is very thin. pay closer attention to each spot, if one of them seem to had moved or fallen off then its stress related. fine sand particles can also get stuck to tangs after the slime coat is compromised

 

[winxp_man]

As stated above ich. Just a severe infection. All fish will need QT at this point.

 

[winxp_man]

one things ive noticed when fish gets bullied and or stressed out they can change colors and create these spots or blotches. it may look like ich but can just be stress related as the slime coat is very thin. pay closer attention to each spot, if one of them seem to had moved or fallen off then its stress related. fine sand particles can also get stuck to tangs after the slime coat is compromised

Seen this many times (stress blotches that is), unfortunately it’s ich in this cases and the blotches are much larger and not ich related.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

This still pic helps a lot - I suspected marine ich from the video, but this photo confirms that.