Help!!! Is this ich, velvet or brook???

[Ammirati]

One of my 2 clownfish is covered (see pic). A little history...my DT got ich October and killed almost everything. I left if fallow for 76 days. I QT everything now in copper for 30 days before it goes in the DT. Did ich survive the fallow period? I even got a freshwater black Molly and tested the tank that way. The Molly is perfect no sign anything. What should I treat for?? My Blue Hippo has a little bit of spots on it. Also my valentin puffer has a couple white spots on its bottom fin (couldn't get a pic). Everyone is eating but I did loose a yellow clown goby Thursday who looked like he had what the clownfish has. I also lost my Pearlscale Butterfly Wednesday who looked like it had absolutely nothing. All water perimeters are fine except I was in the hospital and nitrates spiked to around 80ppm. Help!?

 

[Big G]

Nothing added to the tank since fallow that was "wet" like corals, inverts, etc.?

Copper treatment doesn't eliminate Brook. It will suppress it but once the copper is gone, the Brook parasites can come back with a fury. The problem we have is Early Brook can present much like Ich/velvet.

Brooklynella

Brooklynella hostilis What You Need To Know: * This is most often seen in clownfish, but it can afflict any fish. The fish’s skin will appear to be peeling or sloughing off, oftentimes causing excessive white mucous to form around the affected area(s). * Treatment of choice is a 45 minute...

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[Ammirati]

Nothing added to the tank since fallow that was "wet" like corals, inverts, etc.?

Copper treatment doesn't eliminate Brook. It will suppress it but once the copper is gone, the Brook parasites can come back with a fury. The problem we have is Early Brook can present much like Ich/velvet.

Brooklynella

Brooklynella hostilis What You Need To Know: * This is most often seen in clownfish, but it can afflict any fish. The fish’s skin will appear to be peeling or sloughing off, oftentimes causing excessive white mucous to form around the affected area(s). * Treatment of choice is a 45 minute...

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Absolutely nothing wet added to the tank since fallow. Tank has been OK since late December when fallow ended. I'm not sure what to treat for. I know Rally is best as a bath but I dosed Rally Pro in the DT for the last 3 days. I'm FOWLR.

 

[Big G]

Yes, the acriflavine in RRR works pretty good on Brook. But the bath and then into a clean parasite free tank is the key. If the tank has Brook in it, reinfection occurs.

 

[Ammirati]

Yes, the acriflavine in RRR works pretty good on Brook. But the bath and then into a clean parasite free tank is the key. If the tank has Brook in it, reinfection occurs.

Thank you, so you're leaning towards it being Brook? Wouldn't the black Molly show something fast since it's not immune to any saltwater disease?

 

[Big G]

Brook should show up faster as it has a direct life cycle on the fish.

When the display went fallow, did you stir the sand a bit. We've seen evidence in studies that some parasites can go dormant in the anerobic areas of the tank for extended periods of time, longer than the normal fallow time period.

Here's an article by Humblefish on why fallow sometimes fails:

Why a fallow period will sometimes fail

Understand what to do if your fallow period for Cryptocaryon irritans, marine ich, fails.

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[Ammirati]

Brook should show up faster as it has a direct life cycle on the fish.

When the display went fallow, did you stir the sand a bit. We've seen evidence in studies that some parasites can go dormant in the anerobic areas of the tank for extended periods of time, longer than the normal fallow time period.

Here's an article by Humblefish on why fallow sometimes fails:

Why a fallow period will sometimes fail

Understand what to do if your fallow period for Cryptocaryon irritans, marine ich, fails.

www.reef2reef.com

I did not stir the sand...

 

[Ammirati]

I really don't want to do formalin. Can I treat copper plus general cure alternating with metroplex?

 

[Ammirati]

Update - My Valentin Puffer is covered now too, not looking good. Does what he has look like brook too? Sorry water is yellow because I put Furan 2 in. I've been doing dip in Rally, then in qt metro and furan 2. The clownfish died today...some others not looking great either. Other qt tank I'm treating with coppersafe, metro and furan 2. @Humblefish @HotRocks @4FordFamily @Big G someone help! I don't want another tank disaster as I lost all but 2 fish last year to ich before I started to QT everything.

 

[Big G]

Did the skin slough off or peel off any of the fish?

 

[Ammirati]

Did the skin slough off or peel off any of the fish?

Not any of the ones who died...kind of looks like it's peeling off an engineer goby

 

[Big G]

Were the ones that died displaying any symptoms like: swimming into powerheads, hiding from light, not eating?

 

[Ammirati]

Were the ones that died displaying any symptoms like: swimming into powerheads, hiding from light, not eating?

No swimming into powerheads, ate but a little less than normal. Hid by the rocks so I guess avoided lights.

 

[Big G]

If these were my fish, I'd do the following to all of the fish, one by one:

1. Freshwater dip to remove as many parasites as possible.
2. Immediately follow the dip with a 60 minute bath in Ruby Reef Rally. (This step improves survival rates).
3. Then place fish into either copper or CP. CP is nice because it goes directly to therapeutic levels. With copper, I'd have the tank already predosed up to 1.00 ppm of Copper Power (preferred) or Coppersafe. Then quickly raise the copper to 2.0 ppm within 24-48 hours.
4. Also dose the tank with Metro + Kanaplex + Furan2. The Metro covers Brook. The Kanaplex + Furan2 will help prevent bacterial infections.

 

[Ammirati]

If these were my fish, I'd do the following to all of the fish, one by one:

1. Freshwater dip to remove as many parasites as possible.
2. Immediately follow the dip with a 60 minute bath in Ruby Reef Rally. (This step improves survival rates).
3. Then place fish into either copper or CP. CP is nice because it goes directly to therapeutic levels. With copper, I'd have the tank already predosed up to 1.00 ppm of Copper Power (preferred) or Coppersafe. Then quickly raise the copper to 2.0 ppm within 24-48 hours.
4. Also dose the take with Metro + Kanaplex + Furan2. The Metro covers Brook. The Kanaplex + Furan2 will help prevent bacterial infections.

Thank you, I'm going to try this today. Is there anyone who can't do this process (I know no copper for the puffer). I have

Blue Hippo
Foxface
Clownfish
Engineer goby
Yellow watchman (who seems unaffected)
Anthias
Black freshwater Molly (seems unaffected)
Cardinals

 

[Big G]

The list looks fine. As always any treatment comes with risk, especially depending on the individual fish's health at treatment.

You can treat the puffer with copper, but with high risk. I have. The difference is that you raise the copper levels v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y over 4 days or so. Best to do very small dose AM, lunch, PM. To watch for copper sensitivity. That's why for puffers CP is better to have on hand in your med kit.

 

[Ammirati]

The list looks fine. As always any treatment comes with risk, especially depending on the individual fish's health at treatment.

You can treat the puffer with copper, but with high risk. I have. The difference is that you raise the copper levels v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y over 4 days or so. Best to do very small dose AM, lunch, PM. To watch for copper sensitivity. That's why for puffers CP is better to have on hand in your med kit.

Here is an update. I followed your procedure above and was able to save some. My puffer is doing awesome, looks like nothing ever happened. My blue Hippo, Foxface, purple firefish, yellow watchman, one Cardinal and the black Molly are doing great too. The one engineer goby is if-y...still looks like his skin is peeling. I lost the second engineer goby, the clown, one Cardinal and anthias. Thank you for your help. I will now up my QT game to involve more than just copper and prazi.

 

[BakedFish]

Did the skin slough off or peel off any of the fish?

If your fish show these signs is it velvet?