How to distinguish information from misinformation?

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With so much information all over the place these days, how can anyone in the hobby be able to determine the difference between good information and misinformation?
How do folks filter through it?
Do folks just choose the information that falls in line with their beliefs and experience or is better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?

I’ve seen it so many times. I’ve seen what I believe to be good advice being ignored and I’ve seen what I believe to be parroted information being passed around as an absolute true.
this makes me really curious in learning how do you do it.
 
I have 100% faith in these two books, anything that differs greatly I’m skeptical.
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how can anyone in the hobby be able to determine the difference between good information and misinformation?
Do your own research. Don't ask ChatGPT or trust random memes. Get your information from, and verify info you found with reputable sources. A reputable source could be message boards like this, certain reddit subs, the employees at your LFS and the list goes on. It can also include websites. The trick is to use your head and verify what you're reading. If a random image pops up on a social media page that says something that doesn't quite seem right and might do some harm, like "Did you know you can clean the inside of your skimmer body with toothpaste", maybe ask someone first. OTOH, a post to a message board from someone with hundres or thousands of posts that says "Did you know you can clean the inside of your skimmer body with a toothbrush", I'd be more inclined to beleive it. And, honestly, if someone 'trusted' on this site said to clean it toothpaste (just an example, don't do that), I'd do it...after checking other websites to see if other people do it.

Do folks just choose the information that falls in line with their beliefs and experience or is better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?
Those are two different questions. Do folks just choose the information that famms in line with their beleifs?" yes, yes, yes. Confirmation Bias and Anchoring are very real. Even when you know it's happening, it's hard to break away from it.
The other question was 'is it better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?'. That a bit tougher but I'll say, in general, very very general, yes. But also no. "Big names" on, say, a message board, aren't always right. Big Names as in large businesses within the industry (cough BRS cough) are usually 'right', but they're also trying to sell you something and that's worth keeping in mind. I haven't watched the BRS videos in years, but if you watch the older vs the later ones, you can see the shift happen as BRS gets bigger and the videos go from two guys talking about their favorite hobby to, for lack of a better way to describe it, a bunch of people posting infomercials for stuff they sell. The info isn't wrong, but the scope changes from 'lets talk about this skimmers/pumps/some other equipment' to 'lets talk about this specific brand and why it's better than other brands'.

I’ve seen what I believe to be good advice being ignored and parroted information being passed around as an absolute true
That's common across all kinds of hobbies and a lot of it comes back to Confirmation Bias (what I already think must be correct) and/or Anchoring (the first thing I heard is correct). I think this also happens in hobbies like this where a lot of people aren't parroting bad information on purpose, they're doing it becuase they're too excited about a new hobby to realize what they're doing. For example, you're looking to get into this hobby and start absorbing as much info as you can. You're on reddit one day and someone asks how to clean their skimmer body and, without realize it's wrong, you tell them to use toothpaste.

TL;DR, slow down, pay attention to what you read and if something seems wrong, ask around. But none of this is unique to this, or any other, hobby.
 
I have 100% faith in these two books, anything that differs greatly I’m skeptical.
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I think I I’m bias towards the book on the left 😂
 
Do your own research. Don't ask ChatGPT or trust random memes. Get your information from, and verify info you found with reputable sources. A reputable source could be message boards like this, certain reddit subs, the employees at your LFS and the list goes on. It can also include websites. The trick is to use your head and verify what you're reading. If a random image pops up on a social media page that says something that doesn't quite seem right and might do some harm, like "Did you know you can clean the inside of your skimmer body with toothpaste", maybe ask someone first. OTOH, a post to a message board from someone with hundres or thousands of posts that says "Did you know you can clean the inside of your skimmer body with a toothbrush", I'd be more inclined to beleive it. And, honestly, if someone 'trusted' on this site said to clean it toothpaste (just an example, don't do that), I'd do it...after checking other websites to see if other people do it.

In a way I believe you saying that the most popular information tends to be true, I have seen many threads with folks mentioning to taste the skimmate 🤢

Those are two different questions. Do folks just choose the information that famms in line with their beleifs?" yes, yes, yes. Confirmation Bias and Anchoring are very real. Even when you know it's happening, it's hard to break away from it.
The other question was 'is it better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?'. That a bit tougher but I'll say, in general, very very general, yes. But also no. "Big names" on, say, a message board, aren't always right. Big Names as in large businesses within the industry (cough BRS cough) are usually 'right', but they're also trying to sell you something and that's worth keeping in mind. I haven't watched the BRS videos in years, but if you watch the older vs the later ones, you can see the shift happen as BRS gets bigger and the videos go from two guys talking about their favorite hobby to, for lack of a better way to describe it, a bunch of people posting infomercials for stuff they sell. The info isn't wrong, but the scope changes from 'lets talk about this skimmers/pumps/some other equipment' to 'lets talk about this specific brand and why it's better than other brands'.

Yeah I think I have seen most of the BRS and competitors videos along the years and some podcasts, I’ve also noticed the difference although in a way most videos were showcasing a product.

That's common across all kinds of hobbies and a lot of it comes back to Confirmation Bias (what I already think must be correct) and/or Anchoring (the first thing I heard is correct). I think this also happens in hobbies like this where a lot of people aren't parroting bad information on purpose, they're doing it becuase they're too excited about a new hobby to realize what they're doing. For example, you're looking to get into this hobby and start absorbing as much info as you can. You're on reddit one day and someone asks how to clean their skimmer body and, without realize it's wrong, you tell them to use toothpaste.

TL;DR, slow down, pay attention to what you read and if something seems wrong, ask around. But none of this is unique to this, or any other, hobby.

I do remember many years ago in most algae threads most people parroting about Reducing N and P to zero. At the time it seemed information although most in today’s day consider it misinformation.
 
With so much information all over the place these days, how can anyone in the hobby be able to determine the difference between good information and misinformation?
How do folks filter through it?
Do folks just choose the information that falls in line with their beliefs and experience or is better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?

I’ve seen it so many times. I’ve seen what I believe to be good advice being ignored and I’ve seen what I believe to be parroted information being passed around as an absolute true.
this makes me really curious in learning how do you do it.
There are some amazing books available from reputable and successful aquarists like Julian Sprung, Robert Fenner, Anthony Calfo among others, even doctors who specialize in marine science. Beyond that Find someone successful with a beautiful tank that handles it themselves. Someone that has accomplished what you wish to achieve can help point you in the right direction. Try not to pool together too many viewpoints at once in the beginning as it can create a complicated tug of war that leads you down a path of thorns.

Over time accumulated viewpoints and observations will occur naturally allowing you to build on the stable foundation of what you have learned and know works. Dont rely on AI as it tends to "forget" a lot or make errors frequently, I tested a few out myself just to see and found myself playing the role of teacher more than getting much helpful advice. In the end it made me happy that I began learning before the internet was a thing where I live.
 
Do your own research. Don't ask ChatGPT or trust random memes. Get your information from, and verify info you found with reputable sources. A reputable source could be message boards like this, certain reddit subs, the employees at your LFS and the list goes on. It can also include websites. The trick is to use your head and verify what you're reading. If a random image pops up on a social media page that says something that doesn't quite seem right and might do some harm, like "Did you know you can clean the inside of your skimmer body with toothpaste", maybe ask someone first. OTOH, a post to a message board from someone with hundres or thousands of posts that says "Did you know you can clean the inside of your skimmer body with a toothbrush", I'd be more inclined to beleive it. And, honestly, if someone 'trusted' on this site said to clean it toothpaste (just an example, don't do that), I'd do it...after checking other websites to see if other people do it.

In a way I believe you saying that the most popular information tends to be true, I have seen many threads with folks mentioning to taste the skimmate 🤢

Those are two different questions. Do folks just choose the information that famms in line with their beleifs?" yes, yes, yes. Confirmation Bias and Anchoring are very real. Even when you know it's happening, it's hard to break away from it.
The other question was 'is it better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?'. That a bit tougher but I'll say, in general, very very general, yes. But also no. "Big names" on, say, a message board, aren't always right. Big Names as in large businesses within the industry (cough BRS cough) are usually 'right', but they're also trying to sell you something and that's worth keeping in mind. I haven't watched the BRS videos in years, but if you watch the older vs the later ones, you can see the shift happen as BRS gets bigger and the videos go from two guys talking about their favorite hobby to, for lack of a better way to describe it, a bunch of people posting infomercials for stuff they sell. The info isn't wrong, but the scope changes from 'lets talk about this skimmers/pumps/some other equipment' to 'lets talk about this specific brand and why it's better than other brands'.

Yeah I think I have seen most of the BRS and competitors videos along the years and some podcasts, I’ve also noticed the difference although in a way most videos were showcasing a product.

That's common across all kinds of hobbies and a lot of it comes back to Confirmation Bias (what I already think must be correct) and/or Anchoring (the first thing I heard is correct). I think this also happens in hobbies like this where a lot of people aren't parroting bad information on purpose, they're doing it becuase they're too excited about a new hobby to realize what they're doing. For example, you're looking to get into this hobby and start absorbing as much info as you can. You're on reddit one day and someone asks how to clean their skimmer body and, without realize it's wrong, you tell them to use toothpaste.

TL;DR, slow down, pay attention to what you read and if something seems wrong, ask around. But none of this is unique to this, or any other, hobby.

I do remember many years ago in most algae threads most people parroting about Reducing N and P to zero. At the time it seemed information although most in today’s day consider it misinformation.
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Tasting skimmate 🤣 made me think of Caddyshack.
 
I was mentored by a lfs owner while I worked there in the 90s. He taught a lot of the science so that foundation helps me know what info is likely true and what is just a trendy fad. I also have or have read many of the accepted 'must reads' over the years.
 
Books are great and will lead you to a viable reef but there are more ways than ever to skin a cat.
I'd just watched Ryan from Ryan's Reefs (former CEO of BRS) talking with Victor from WWC how they no longer even worry about Mg or Ca measurements. They mentioned the importance of strictly holding 420ppm of Ca and 1350ppm of Mg just isn't as important as the industry once thought.
The other thing they mentioned was nutrients. Both agreed keeping Po4 at 15-20ppm produces much more colorful corals than the tightrope walk of 0.08ppm and neither has a worry in the world about 50ppm nitrate.
What i'm getting at is times change and practices and tech follows.
 
Books are great and will lead you to a viable reef but there are more ways than ever to skin a cat.
I'd just watched Ryan from Ryan's Reefs (former CEO of BRS) talking with Victor from WWC how they no longer even worry about Mg or Ca measurements. They mentioned the importance of strictly holding 420ppm of Ca and 1350ppm of Mg just isn't as important as the industry once thought.
The other thing they mentioned was nutrients. Both agreed keeping Po4 at 15-20ppm produces much more colorful corals than the tightrope walk of 0.08ppm and neither has a worry in the world about 50ppm nitrate.
What i'm getting at is times change and practices and tech follows.
Times change and tech follows, sure. However, science doesn’t….for example a quote from Sprung’s Book printed in 1994, “little actual documentation of nitrate toxicity exists, and public aquariums, as well as home aquariums have demonstrated quite plainly that fish and invertebrates not only tolerate high nitrate levels, They can thrive in waters with high nitrates, 40 no3 ppm”

Maybe the dudes you’re referring too would benefit from some books and education?
 
With so much information all over the place these days, how can anyone in the hobby be able to determine the difference between good information and misinformation?
How do folks filter through it?
Do folks just choose the information that falls in line with their beliefs and experience or is better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?

I’ve seen it so many times. I’ve seen what I believe to be good advice being ignored and I’ve seen what I believe to be parroted information being passed around as an absolute true.
this makes me really curious in learning how do you do it.

It is extraordinarily difficult, particularly when companies spread the false information to support sales. Sadly, some of the biggest reef supply companies are among the bad actors.

It is sometimes clear they know they are misleading folks,, and sometimes it may be that they are just ignorant of the truth. In some cases, I cannot tell which it is. .
 
These days I like reef.com and reefhobbyistmagazine.com. If anyone knows of others I would appreciate to know. Lets tell the folks where to get info and new topics and self learn.
 
It is extraordinarily difficult, particularly when companies spread the false information to support sales. Sadly, some of the biggest reef supply companies are among the bad actors.

It is sometimes clear they know they are misleading folks,, and sometimes it may be that they are just ignorant of the truth. In some cases, I cannot tell which it is. .

In part, I believe this makes the hobby so more difficult . We’re getting bombarded with information from all over the place and the scary part is that once enough folks parrot certain ideas or marketing narratives it becomes accepted within the community, regardless if they are correct or not.
 
Times change and tech follows, sure. However, science doesn’t….for example a quote from Sprung’s Book printed in 1994, “little actual documentation of nitrate toxicity exists, and public aquariums, as well as home aquariums have demonstrated quite plainly that fish and invertebrates not only tolerate high nitrate levels, They can thrive in waters with high nitrates, 40 no3 ppm”

Maybe the dudes you’re referring too would benefit from some books and education?
This quote is a perfect example that old information can still be good information.
 
These days I like reef.com and reefhobbyistmagazine.com. If anyone knows of others I would appreciate to know. Lets tell the folks where to get info and new topics and self learn.
+2 on reef.com, I think I read most of the article on it.
 
With so much information all over the place these days, how can anyone in the hobby be able to determine the difference between good information and misinformation?
How do folks filter through it?
Do folks just choose the information that falls in line with their beliefs and experience or is better to follow the information given by popular names in the hobby?

I’ve seen it so many times. I’ve seen what I believe to be good advice being ignored and I’ve seen what I believe to be parroted information being passed around as an absolute true.
this makes me really curious in learning how do you do it.
It takes more of a critical mind to do due dilligence with data these days.

It is truly annoying when I see threads full of good info that was asked for, but the OP disagrees or makes excuses why "that won't work".
 
It is extraordinarily difficult, particularly when companies spread the false information to support sales. Sadly, some of the biggest reef supply companies are among the bad actors.

It is sometimes clear they know they are misleading folks,, and sometimes it may be that they are just ignorant of the truth. In some cases, I cannot tell which it is. .
Sounds like a pet peeve :-)

This comment reminded me of one test that I use: Know the possible conflicts of interest of the information providers. The cost-benefit ratio of assuming all vendor’s have a conflict of interest that is always in play is likely on benefit side over your life time.

Another vendor of sorts with a serious conflict of interest is the one hawking a best method for doing X.

In both cases, examining the claims made by vendors is a good start to understanding the possible level of misinformation.

I think your thread (sorry forgot the title) about believing the observation but questioning the cause-effect conclusion is an approach to limit misinformation intake.
 

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