How to quarantine a wrasse.

[DEE’S reef]

So this weekend I want to get a 6 line wrasse and I want to quarantine it how should I do so for the best success. The wrasse at my lfs are smaller.

 

[lapin]

TTM and be sure to place a container of sand in the tanks so it has a place to sleep and hide. Ya six lines don’t need a sand bed. I was picturing when I qt my melanurus.

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[NanoSteam]

TTM and be sure to place a container of sand in the tanks so it has a place to sleep and hide

I've never had a sixline use sand bed, they always sleep in the rock work

 

[Slocke]

TTM and be sure to place a container of sand in the tanks so it has a place to sleep and hide

Sixlines don’t use sand beds. Only members of the Coriniae and Cyrichtynae subfamilies sleep in the sand.

(Yes, I am a giant nerd)

 

[Slocke]

So for a wrasse you can
1. Do observational quarantine. People frown on this but it's what public aquariums do. It causes the least stress to the fish. Watch for signs of disease and treat only as needed.
2. Go full kitchen sink. Prazipro and a chelated copper like copper power. Wrasse seem to do better with chelated. You can look up how to do both of these treatments.

 

[winxp_man]

So for a wrasse you can
1. Do observational quarantine. People frown on this but it's what public aquariums do. It causes the least stress to the fish. Watch for signs of disease and treat only as needed.
2. Go full kitchen sink. Prazipro and a chelated copper like copper power. Wrasse seem to do better with chelated. You can look up how to do both of these treatments.

Yes it is a known fact that copper power/safe (chelated) is a lot easier on all fish!

I dump first directly into 2.25 and above with no issues. An LFS near me keep their tanks at 2.4-2.5 at all times. Have yet to see wrasses pass away on a regular. And the cleaner wrasse they sometimes end up a whole month at their shop before they sell off. Still healthy and eating.

Cupramine is the issue if you ask me. Another LFS near me uses that for their fish systems. The amount of deaths I see on a regular is quite up there. Maybe their system is just jacked.

The last part is that copper already tears down their immune system. That will not change so let’s add a version that wears them down faster? No thanks.

 

[DEE’S reef]

So for a wrasse you can
1. Do observational quarantine. People frown on this but it's what public aquariums do. It causes the least stress to the fish. Watch for signs of disease and treat only as needed.
2. Go full kitchen sink. Prazipro and a chelated copper like copper power. Wrasse seem to do better with chelated. You can look up how to do both of these treatments.

Should I observe for a week and then treat with copper powder for a week or 2. And is copper powder the best form of medication for a wrasse.

 

[Slocke]

Should I observe for a week and then treat with copper powder for a week or 2. And is copper powder the best form of medication for a wrasse.

Copper Power, it’s a brand. I would refer to someone better then me like Jay.

Current Quarantine Protocol

2024 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed, proactive quarantine process can effectively eliminate these...

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[winxp_man]

Should I observe for a week and then treat with copper powder for a week or 2. And is copper powder the best form of medication for a wrasse.

It’s chelated coppe, copper power that is. Easier on fish vs Cupramine by seachem which is ionic copper.

Copper is a parasite killer. But it’s required to be used for 30 days in a QT at a min of 2.25 ppm and a max of 2.50 ppm. Hanna HR Copper checkers are a must for checking copper levels.

There are fish that even with copper power still have a hard time. So running a lower ppm can still be beneficial.

 

[Tritie]

Ramp up your copper to therapeutic over 6 days. I did a pygmy angel in cheated copper going slowly and it did well. I usually give them a few days to settle in before treating to make sure they are eating well.

 

[winxp_man]

Ramp up your copper to therapeutic over 6 days. I did a pygmy angel in cheated copper going slowly and it did well. I usually give them a few days to settle in before treating to make sure they are eating well.

Have done many angles in direct 2.34 with no side effects. Had them pass from uronema though. The idea is to get to therapeutic levels to get the copper killing diseases it can kill right away. Had 19 fish I put directly into 2.35 when I checked with the Hanna checker and non passed. Ich showed up big time and had no choice as some of the fish got infected over night and bad. Angles, dwarf angles, tangs of all kinds, clowns, cleaner wrasses. Ionic copper will be of an issue though. That you want to ramp up.

Velvet being a quick killer will kill any fish within days if give too much time to settle in.

My bigger tank with most of the fish. All finished QT and doing super well! They eat three cubes of frozen mysis within a two three minutes, they then wait for more if I were to give in. Once in a while I put in a few pellets. Or switch it up to pellets only or wafers. I wish I could do nori. It with only HOB filters nori goes all over the place because of the Paki Butterfly! He literally just shreds it apart just to do it!! Hahaha!

 

[DEE’S reef]

So I don’t need to add anything like sand to the qt tank

 

[DEE’S reef]

Also so I should use copper powder and prazi pro @Jay Hemdal for a wrasse

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So for a wrasse you can
1. Do observational quarantine. People frown on this but it's what public aquariums do. It causes the least stress to the fish. Watch for signs of disease and treat only as needed.
2. Go full kitchen sink. Prazipro and a chelated copper like copper power. Wrasse seem to do better with chelated. You can look up how to do both of these treatments.

Public aquariums typically do NOT use observation-only quarantine. All of the ones I’m familiar with are some version of a proactive quarantine method. Observation only would be reserved for specialty fishes (deep water species) ones not being mixed with other fish (seadragons), or too large to quarantine (whale sharks).

Yes, I would only use amine-chelated copper with wrasse. They are also sensitive to the solvents sometimes used with praziquantel (low oxygen from bacterial degradation is the most likely cause).

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So I don’t need to add anything like sand to the qt tank

Not for that species. You should offer hiding spaces though.

We keep our updated quarantine process here:

Current Quarantine Protocol

2024 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed, proactive quarantine process can effectively eliminate these...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[DEE’S reef]

I have pvc pipes in the tank and half pvc pipe small caves.

 

[DEE’S reef]

Public aquariums typically do NOT use observation-only quarantine. All of the ones I’m familiar with are some version of a proactive quarantine method. Observation only would be reserved for specialty fishes (deep water species) ones not being mixed with other fish (seadragons), or too large to quarantine (whale sharks).

Yes, I would only use amine-chelated copper with wrasse. They are also sensitive to the solvents sometimes used with praziquantel (low oxygen from bacterial degradation is the most likely cause).

What are some good some good brands of chelated copper powder also is safert copper tests good

 

[Jay Hemdal]

What are some good some good brands of chelated copper powder also is safert copper tests good

The two brands that work best are copper power or coppersafe. They are best tested with the Hanna HR checker. The API test works, but is too difficult to read. The Seachem test is too low of range. The Salifert test is reported to work, but I have not tried it myself.

 

[Kasrift]

For what it's worth, as mentioned you can do copper or TTM. I've ran both Six line and a pink streaked through hybrid TTM.

I always add a rotation or two into the method (extra 6 days), and do some prazi in the last steps and some bendo flakes.

I've also ran a cleaner wrasse and a Blue star leopard through full QT with Copper Power at 2.5 for 30 days and transferred to another tank for 3 rounds of prazi. Both survived just fine.

I just tend to do TTM method for smaller fish since it is easy, either a 5g bucket, or if they are smaller then I have two 2.5g tanks from Petco.

 

[DEE’S reef]

I just have a mix of Red Sea and Salifert test kits so I was wondering if the salifert for copper is trustworthy.