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Hello just sharing i have decided to treat my 180 for ich/flukes due to 2 new fish dying any tips are greatly appreciated i have a problem i cannot find my leapord wrasse so i plan on filling the tank back up for corals and inverts and waiting for it to hopefully surface

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Hello just sharing i have decided to treat my 180 for ich/flukes due to 2 new fish dying any tips are greatly appreciated i have a problem i cannot find my leapord wrasse so i plan on filling the tank back up for corals and inverts and waiting for it to hopefully surface

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Sorry you're dealing with this!

This would be a great question for the R2R #fishmedic team 🙂

Good luck!
 
I will copy and past a post of mine from another thread about setting up a QT tank. But wild ask if you have picture and videos under bright white lights to post. And are you sure it’s ich and flukes? Or is this a guess on your end?




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I would recommend you get a system to properly QT fish from here on out.

Petco has great deals if you’re state side. They have 20 long tanks on sale all the time. If you order online and pickup in store you can get an extra 10% off. With that said a 20long is the perfect tank if you have room to set it up.

For HOB (hang on back) Filter I use the Fluval AC50. It comes with a few things to it. I only use the bio sponge that comes with it. The rest is media and other filtration stuff that is not needed for a QT tank.

For more clear water and to help reduce algae bloom or bacterial blooms once the tank is set up. I use Aqua Top Intank UV. 7watt version works for the 20 long tank. The super nice extra benefit is it create great surface agitation for gas exchange to take place and get plenty of o2 in the tank water.

For heaters I have been using Ti heater for about 1.5 years now. Prior I have done the glass versions. But no longer. The most accurate heater I have to date is a IM Hilos controller and Finnex Ti heater. But there way cheaper system that can work. The Finnex with the built in controller is a bit cheaper and has a build in fail said for over heating from what I recall.

Light, as long as you can get something with bright white lights you’re good to go. And I tend to limit lights to 6 hours for fish in QT.

Bacteria I like to use turbo start 900. Give is a few days before turning on the UV. Like the Aqua Top in tank UV because it has a UV light turnoff separate from the filter pump. So it can be used to again creat surface agitation. Since you’re at an emergency stage…. I would do water changes ever day after the first two three days. This will keep ammonia down while beneficial bacteria catches on to the HOB sponge and other surfaces it can. I actually started to do Genesis rock in my QT systems for. It does not absorb any copper.

Edit for water change clarification. If there are more fish ammonia will build up pretty quick. So so after day two I start water changes and dose bacteria as needed. It can be tricky, keep an eye out for bacterial bloom though. If you see a bacterial bloom I would turn on the UV. Play the game between UV off and on as needed based upon water clarity. BUT for alway leave the UV filter part on for O2.

Get copper power or copper safe.

For the fish some large 2-3” PVC fittings. Gives them hiding spots and less stress on the fish.


Edit: additional in depth info.
Here is a picture of my setup that has been ongoing for a year now. I’m always getting a fish or QTing for friends. So this tank is always in ready to host fish as any given time. After bacteria gets going ammonia takes a while to get going. BUT!!!…. Still run WC, reason is water quality. It end up getting gunky even without ammonia present. P04 and such from feeding. Remember there is no CUC to maintain a clean tank.

The HOB also only does so much before needing a sponge rinse. I rinse the bio sponge in a bucket that is taken out for WC. The water in the bucket will not be as dirty as the bio sponge trust me haha. In a 20 long I fill the tank with Home Depot buckets that are lakebed with gallons. The 5 gal bucket. That way for WC I know I’m taking out 5, 8, 10 gallons or whatever it is. And I know how much to put back. And dose copper for the exact amount I took out and put back in for the WC.

So with a bucket that had gallon increments I put in 15 gallons exactly in a 20 long tank. Then mark the water line and with a permanent marker I write down 15 gallons empty tank. Then I put in the heater the in tank UV, and HOB and fill it up. Then mark another like and write filter, uv and heart line. This way I don’t have to measure water to put back into the tank. It’s pre measured when I took it out and all I have to do is use a hose to pump water into the tank to the filter, uv and heater line I marked.

You can see my marks on my tank. And this had yet to let me know measurement wise. You will be able to dose whatever medication you need without fear of over dosing because you know the exact amount of water you have all the time. Also it gives you a nice system to top off for water evap with rodi.

As for media, I have done dual Fluval AC50 filters and find it enough for more fish, and this is also to a limit. But more recently as I stated above, I started doing Polyplab Genesis Rock and once it catches on that bacteria really works wonders.

This system I posted here, has yet to fail me! O2 is in abundance! I have a o2 meter, yes I check it haha, or rather used to. Now I just trust it. I don’t have to use extra aeration devices, and minimal salt creep compared to a bubbler aeration device. Best part for me no bubbles flying all ver the place. Have tried a million devices in QT tanks and this is it for me.





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Now you’re ready for prazi, copper and whatever else is needed. Alway have copper power, or copper safe on hand if you buy fish here and there to get a QT going. Prazi (my personal favorite is the pure form), Kanaplex, Neoplex, Metroplex. And quality pellet food. For tangs I like the spectrum wafers before I don’t have to feed nori. The spectrum wafers are almost as good as nori. I feed it to all my tangs and angles. I know it’s good because they poop just like if they eat nori. Which is not the hard log poop from eating pellets only.
 
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Hey would it be wise to dose prazi pro and nox ich or prazi first then nox second first timer here with diseases

I will copy and past a post of mine from another thread about setting up a QT tank. But wild ask if you have picture and videos under bright white lights to post. And are you sure it’s ich and flukes? Or is this a guess on your end?




Paste:

I would recommend you get a system to properly QT fish from here on out.

Petco has great deals if you’re state side. They have 20 long tanks on sale all the time. If you order online and pickup in store you can get an extra 10% off. With that said a 20long is the perfect tank if you have room to set it up.

For HOB (hang on back) Filter I use the Fluval AC50. It comes with a few things to it. I only use the bio sponge that comes with it. The rest is media and other filtration stuff that is not needed for a QT tank.

For more clear water and to help reduce algae bloom or bacterial blooms once the tank is set up. I use Aqua Top Intank UV. 7watt version works for the 20 long tank. The super nice extra benefit is it create great surface agitation for gas exchange to take place and get plenty of o2 in the tank water.

For heaters I have been using Ti heater for about 1.5 years now. Prior I have done the glass versions. But no longer. The most accurate heater I have to date is a IM Hilos controller and Finnex Ti heater. But there way cheaper system that can work. The Finnex with the built in controller is a bit cheaper and has a build in fail said for over heating from what I recall.

Light, as long as you can get something with bright white lights you’re good to go. And intend ti limit lights to 6 hours for fish.

Bacteria I like to use turbo start 900. Give is a few days before turning on the UV. Like the Aqua Top in tank UV because it has a UV light turnoff separate from the filter pump. So it can be used to again creat surface agitation. Since you’re at an emergency stage…. I would do water changes ever day after the first two three days. This will keep ammonia down while beneficial bacteria catches on to the HOB sponge and other surfaces it can. I actually started to do Genesis rock in my QT systems for. It does not absorb any copper.

Get copper power or copper safe.

For the fish some large 2-3” PVC fittings. Gives them hiding spots and less stress on the fish.
Pretty sure my uncle talked to his lfs and they recommended prazi because they also had difficulty breathing but 100% ich is a factor not completely sure on flukes but im pretty positive all fish died struggling to breathe/control swim bladder these two tangs are still alive and doing well all things considered
 

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Pretty sure my uncle talked to his lfs and they recommended prazi because they also had difficulty breathing but 100% ich is a factor not completely sure on flukes but im pretty positive all fish died struggling to breathe/control swim bladder these two tangs are still alive and doing well all things considered


Ich also makes them breath fast. Are the fish still eating? Are they flashing? hiding?

Also I added additional info in my post. Hope this helps you get things going in the right direction. 🤙🏽


In emergency matter where I know there are flukes (not eating is a sing) I dose pure prazi at .01gr per gallon of water alongside copper power. I literally just had ich and flukes with the clowns in the picture I posted above. One stopped eating and not even looking at food, the male got to the point that he would pick up food and spit it out. But after two doses of prazi the male recovered very fast. The female just today got over the hump and is now eating! I was worried because these two took a while for me to find. And the color variation is amazing in them. But all good now. 👌🏾


PS prazi and copper is not something I recommend if it can be avoided. In my case this is the second set of fish I did this with. And all is good.
 
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Ich also makes them breath fast. Are the fish still eating? Are they flashing? hiding?

Also I added additional info in my post. Hope this helps you get things going in the right direction. 🤙🏽


In emergency matter where I know there are flukes (not eating is a sing) I dose pure prazi at .01gr per gallon of water alongside copper power. I literally just had ich and flukes with the clowns in the picture I posted above. One stopped eating and not even looking at food, the male got to the point that he would pick up food and spit it out. But after two doses of prazi the male recovered very fast. The female just today got over the hump and is now eating! I was worried because these two took a while for me to find. And the color variation is amazing in them. But all good now. 👌🏾


PS prazi and copper is not something I recommend if it can be avoided. In my case this is the second set of fish I did this with. And all is good
 
Ich also makes them breath fast. Are the fish still eating? Are they flashing? hiding?

Also I added additional info in my post. Hope this helps you get things going in the right direction. 🤙🏽


In emergency matter where I know there are flukes (not eating is a sing) I dose pure prazi at .01gr per gallon of water alongside copper power. I literally just had ich and flukes with the clowns in the picture I posted above. One stopped eating and not even looking at food, the male got to the point that he would pick up food and spit it out. But after two doses of prazi the male recovered very fast. The female just today got over the hump and is now eating! I was worried because these two took a while for me to find. And the color variation is amazing in them. But all good now. 👌🏾


PS prazi and copper is not something I recommend if it can be avoided. In my case this is the second set of fish I did this with. And all is good.
The pbt thats was bad off most eat but i pulled all fish so i could treat them with copper what should i look for in flukes most that died didnt really eat and i havent seen my pbt eat in a few days
 
Ich also makes them breath fast. Are the fish still eating? Are they flashing? hiding?

Also I added additional info in my post. Hope this helps you get things going in the right direction. 🤙🏽


In emergency matter where I know there are flukes (not eating is a sing) I dose pure prazi at .01gr per gallon of water alongside copper power. I literally just had ich and flukes with the clowns in the picture I posted above. One stopped eating and not even looking at food, the male got to the point that he would pick up food and spit it out. But after two doses of prazi the male recovered very fast. The female just today got over the hump and is now eating! I was worried because these two took a while for me to find. And the color variation is amazing in them. But all good now. 👌🏾


PS prazi and copper is not something I recommend if it can be avoided. In my case this is the second set of fish I did this with. And all is good.
Also the medications i have on hand are prazi pro nox ich and seachem paragaurd
 
Nox-Ich although it is stated that its for fresh or saltwater, it is just malachite green and sodium chloride (salt basically). Thats basically adding more salt to the tank and Malachite Green . Malachite green can be toxic with repeated doses. Dosing It more than a few times is no bueno. For fresh water I can see this working well.

Paraguard is similar. You need copper if you can get it. Most shops carry copper power and copper safe. Pick either one that is in stock. 2.25ppm min for 30 days does the trick.

One other trick would be hypo at 1.009 sg.


The only med I see worth anything is the Prazi Pro. For flukes that is.
 
Nox-Ich although it is stated that its for fresh or saltwater, it is just malachite green and sodium chloride (salt basically). Thats basically adding more salt to the tank and Malachite Green . Malachite green can be toxic with repeated doses. Dosing It more than a few times is no bueno. For fresh water I can see this working well.

Paraguard is similar. You need copper if you can get it. Most shops carry copper power and copper safe. Pick either one that is in stock. 2.25ppm min for 30 days does the trick.

One other trick would be hypo at 1.009 sg.
Thank you so much for the advice i decided to dose prazi pro at its normal dose i will definitely pick some copper up tomorrow
 
Thank you so much for the advice i decided to dose prazi pro at its normal dose i will definitely pick some copper up tomorrow

Yes - to confirm, Nox Ich is a freshwater medication only. It won't work for marine ich.

Going forward, here is our quarantine protocol:

 
Flukes cause multiple symptoms - the treatment (as you know) is prazipro)
Ich causes spots, breathing issues (at the end) and may be nearly asymptomatic. in other fish - possibly depending on immunity

Not all of the fish in your tank show spots consistent with Ich, and Its unclear what all of the tubs are for. I would treat all of your fish for Ich - with copper for 30 days (a chelated version - at a level of 2.25 or so. Then treat with Prazipro 2 treatments 8 days apart. If I'm interpreting your pictures correctly, you are not using live rock in your QT tank - which is a good idea since its more difficult to stabilize levels and the copper tends to adsorb onto the rock and become a problem later.

Hopefully this makes sense. Nox-Ich is not a great ich treatment in salt water - and copper is better
 
Flukes cause multiple symptoms - the treatment (as you know) is prazipro)
Ich causes spots, breathing issues (at the end) and may be nearly asymptomatic. in other fish - possibly depending on immunity

Not all of the fish in your tank show spots consistent with Ich, and Its unclear what all of the tubs are for. I would treat all of your fish for Ich - with copper for 30 days (a chelated version - at a level of 2.25 or so. Then treat with Prazipro 2 treatments 8 days apart. If I'm interpreting your pictures correctly, you are not using live rock in your QT tank - which is a good idea since its more difficult to stabilize levels and the copper tends to adsorb onto the rock and become a problem later.

Hopefully this makes sense. Nox-Ich is not a great ich treatment in salt water - and copper is better
Thank you for the advice i noticed ammonia was coming up so i will pull alot from my sump and put it in there i have a lot of rocks ill also dose micro bacter and prime then i will dose copper some time next week here are pics of some fish for a better view
 

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Thank you for the advice i noticed ammonia was coming up so i will pull alot from my sump and put it in there i have a lot of rocks ill also dose micro bacter and prime then i will dose copper some time next week here are pics of some fish for a better view

I don’t see fluke symptoms here, more like ich.

Can you post a video of the fish under white lights?
 
I don’t see fluke symptoms here, more like ich.

Can you post a video of the fish under white lights?
Unfortunately not home but i was told flukes by a lfs due to fish scratching struggling to breate after i got new fish in because i was managing ich before with that said i will treat for both
 
I agree on ich and paraguard not effective nor recommended.
You will need to place fish in Quarantine tank and treat with Coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25 for a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored with a Hanna Brand copper test kit- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone. All other fish in with it should also be removed as they have also been exposed to the parasites and placed in quarantine tank.
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off. Inverts and coral can remain in the display (not treatment) tank during fallow period.
 

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