Not much I can add to this discussion, except to note that I think you've pulled this all together amazingly well, @joro, given the short timeframe. I hope these guys make it!
~Bruce, impressed
~Bruce, impressed
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Thank you and of course, wish I didn’t have too. Just glad to have a bunch of stores (for pets, tractor supplies, etc) close by and same day delivery by Amazon - definitely a life saver potentially!
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Just want to thank you all again, it's an amazing group we have here at R2R and is why I, along with many others, contribute! You all certainly didn't disappoint in this situation
Just another quick update - everyone is tucked in for the night with lights out and - based on advice here and from my local club members - I did decide to dose around 60% concentration of the cooper this evening which I'll follow-up with the additional dose tomorrow once I add more water (I'm only about 45G currently but will add another ~45G tomorrow once it's had a chance to mix/heat). The Achilles and the Tusk were both on their sides when lights went out but I'm hoping they pull through as they were troopers through the dips. I'll let you all know what happens in the AM. Thanks again!
Just another quick update - everyone is tucked in for the night with lights out and - based on advice here and from my local club members - I did decide to dose around 60% concentration of the cooper this evening which I'll follow-up with the additional dose tomorrow once I add more water (I'm only about 45G currently but will add another ~45G tomorrow once it's had a chance to mix/heat). The Achilles and the Tusk were both on their sides when lights went out but I'm hoping they pull through as they were troopers through the dips. I'll let you all know what happens in the AM. Thanks again!
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Morning Update - Unfortunately both the Achilles and Tusk were dead this morning when I went downstairs Their other two HT mates; however, are still good swimming around and not breathing heavily, so I believe the advanced stage of velvet was simply too much to overcome even with the extreme measures. My plan today is to try and catch the others and get them in the 60% HT concentration currently which I'll raise to 100% tonight should I be able to catch them all. Is it still recommended to dose Kanaplex / Furan-2 as a preventative? I have both on hand so is either "better" for this situation than the other?
Their other two HT mates; however, are still good swimming around and not breathing heavily, so I believe the advanced stage of velvet was simply too much to overcome even with the extreme measures. My plan today is to try and catch the others and get them in the 60% HT concentration currently which I'll raise to 100% tonight should I be able to catch them all. Is it still recommended to dose Kanaplex / Furan-2 as a preventative? I have both on hand so is either "better" for this situation than the other?
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Sorry for your loss, they were beautiful fish.Morning Update - Unfortunately both the Achilles and Tusk were dead this morning when I went downstairs
I wouldn't (at this time) unless you see visible signs of a secondary infection. It is enough for the fish just to adjust to the presence of copper in the water; I wouldn't want to also expose them to antibiotics just yet.
Sorry for your losses...
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Thanks and noted. I’m almost ready to put another 40G in the HT that I mixed/heated overnight which will finally allow me to start the AC110. There was a slight amount of ammonia in the water (0.25 ppm according to API) which I think is partially due to the deaths overnight and lack of running the filter with BioSpira (although I did put some in the water just to help a bit). I’ve been soaking the filter media overnight in the Biospira and have another bottle on standby if needed.
Heater should be here in the next few hours but the two that I put in temporarily last night seem to be holding everything stable for now which is good.
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Got it and that will be here tommorrow, should I just watch for heavy breathing tonight or is there a better way to gauge whether the Ammonia is creeping up to much? I know I can’t use Prime with the copper in the water but any other options should it happen to get higher?
Heater just arrived, going in now
I can smell ammonia in the water, but maybe I'm just weird like that.
Heavy breathing and gills turning pink are two indicators of ammonia being present in the water.
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I can smell ammonia in the water, but maybe I'm just weird like that.
Heavy breathing and gills turning pink are two indicators of ammonia being present in the water.
You can smell it at low concentrations? Wow, that’s a talent for sure
You can smell it at low concentrations? Wow, that’s a talent for sure
Yes, I can also taste even slight traces of ammonia in the water. This is what almost 40 years of being around saltwater aquariums does to the senses. I think I'm OK though...
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So after “fishing” most of the afternoon, I still can’t catch any of the others. So I’m going to pick up 5-6 44G brute cans to drain the DT tomorrow to make it easier. Which brings up a few questions:
- The 2 fish that are in the HT at roughly 65% concentration of copper should I go ahead and bring them up to 100% tonight or wait to get everyone else tomorrow then bring them up from 65% -> 100%?
- On the DT, can my corals/anemone be out of the water safely for maybe 10-15 minutes while I catch everyone? I can pump it right back in once everyone is captured.
If 48 hrs will pass before getting all remaining fish into the QT, get your Cu level up to at least 1.5 ppm (Coppersafe) or 0.35 ppm (Cupramine). You can raise it up to 2.0 or 0.5, respectively, after that.
That's a tough call because different corals have varying tolerances to being out of water. What kind of corals do you primarily have? Softies, LPS, SPS? Maybe #reefsquad can help answer this.
It may be easier to have a container with tank water to put the coral in next to the tank. Lowering the water level may help you catch the fish as well.
Many can stay out for a bit but the nem will be MAD.
Then you'll likely be fine just draining.
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So I think I might be able to keep enough water in to cover th me bulk of the corals but just a few SPS will be in the air for maybe 10-15 minutes. My tank is tall (36” to be exact) so maybe if I get it down to 1/3 full I can get everyone.
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