In tank cipro dosing

[FernBluffReef]

I tried this treatment before but I can say if it worked or not. Because after the 7th day I still saw RTN issues with some of my Acros. Then I started using the Triton RTN solution. I don't know which one actually resolved the issue or is it a combination of both. However, I am having a massive RTN problem right now where I have lost almost 50% of my Acto colonies, some of which has been in my system for more than 10 years. Needless to say, I don't even want to think about this in terms of dollars. I am going to try the cephalexin treatment again, but this time I think I may have to increase the dosage. And I'll make a concerted effort to do it at night when the lights are out as recommended. I'll keep you guys posted. See the attached images. Dipping them does not help and in most cases impossible because these corals have encrusted onto my rocks over the years. If anyone know where I can buy the tablets cheap I'll certainly appreciate it because getting them from my vet is super expensive

I have not had any luck with acros, they pretty much all die in my tank. My tank is 14 month old now and just one or two test sticks have survived and are actually growing but no polyp extension. I understand they can be really picky. Hopefully as my tank matures further. Point be-careful if there are other stressors that are making your corals have issues. Antibiotic resistance is a real thing.

Anyway, I assume when you say 'cephalexin' you're actually intending on asking about availability of ciprofloxacin? Such is becoming harder and harder to get as it is actually one of the antibiotics that still work well for humans and others, so creating antibiotic resistance is a significant concern..... There are still a few places you can still get without a prescription, unsure why, but ReefGoods.com is one that still carries antibiotics for fish. Take care with it.

 

[MikeyG]

I have not had any luck with acros, they pretty much all die in my tank. My tank is 14 month old now and just one or two test sticks have survived and are actually growing but no polyp extension. I understand they can be really picky. Hopefully as my tank matures further. Point be-careful if there are other stressors that are making your corals have issues. Antibiotic resistance is a real thing.

Anyway, I assume when you say 'cephalexin' you're actually intending on asking about availability of ciprofloxacin? Such is becoming harder and harder to get as it is actually one of the antibiotics that still work well for humans and others, so creating antibiotic resistance is a significant concern..... There are still a few places you can still get without a prescription, unsure why, but ReefGoods.com is one that still carries antibiotics for fish. Take care with it.

Yeah I realize it can be an issue if used for a long period of time and in conjunction with other antibiotics. And yes it is becoming very hard to get. I can only get it through my vet in pretends that is for my dogs

 

[FernBluffReef]

Yeah I realize it can be an issue if used for a long period of time and in conjunction with other antibiotics. And yes it is becoming very hard to get. I can only get it through my vet in pretends that is for my dogs

As shared in my earlier reply, you can get from reefgoods.com

 

[Snoop_90]

Absolutely turn the UV off!

Generally, if dosing Cipro you want to dose when the lights go down as its readily broken down by light.

There are varying recommended protocols as to how to dose. The most common I've seen is like every other day or two for a ~week (3 doses). When I ran cipro, I gave smaller daily doses for a week knowing that the lights will degrade, etc. Others as mentioned, will space the dosage out, giving larger doses and do a large water change in the end. Kinda depends on why your prescribing antibiotics in the first place and as others have noted the associated risks you want to take with your biological filter as it is a broad-spectrum antibiotic so can impact both perceived good and bad bacteria.

You will also want to try and understand why you have brown jelly in the first place. Usually some stressor, etc. aka cipro is more of a short-term fix persay if you don't address the underlying cause.

I appreciate it! I haven't installed my uv light and was thinking about installing it over the weekend. I'll wait till after the dosage.

And you answered my dosage question as well. I read some posted daily some every other day.

I was traveling for two weeks and my parents were watching the tank. They didn't realize the large salinity swing and I lost 3 fish and 5 corals the night before I flew back. I did water change and then a few smaller changes after. Salinity is back to normal but brown jelly appeared on a torch after the change and then it got onto another one. I'm pretty sure the first two torches that went was probably from brown jelly as well but I didn't see it myself.

 

[Bobobble]

Put a 500 mg capsule in a 50 ml RODI to use during the course

240 gallons in Litre = 908.499 litre
908 x .125 = 113.5

Dose = 113.5/10 = 11.3 ml every two days at night.

Use a syringe to take 11.3 ml from the 50 ml mixture and use it.

reading this thread wondering could you help struggling with the math also. So i have 50 gal with a 20 gal sump. Obviously i know not the entire volume is filled . So what should i dose a day for the next 6 days?

 

[VintageReefer]

reading this thread wondering could you help struggling with the math also. So i have 50 gal with a 20 gal sump. Obviously i know not the entire volume is filled . So what should i dose a day for the next 6 days?

I would Calc for 50g volume

50g in liters is 190

190 x .125 = 23.75

23.75/10 = 2.375

I would start with a dose 2.75ml - 3ml nightly for 6 nights and see if things improve

This is based on making a 50ml amount of medicine

 

[twentyleagues]

I would Calc for 50g volume

50g in liters is 190

190 x .125 = 23.75

23.75/10 = 2.375

I would start with a dose 2.75ml - 3ml nightly for 6 nights and see if things improve

This is based on making a 50ml amount of medicine

I just posted this same kind of thing in his thread but based off 60g I also said 3ml. lol I think 3ml would be good but as I stated in his thread my math for my tank worked out to 6 ml, I dosed 10ml for 10 days. Go big or go home? lol I have never seen bigger flesh bands on my torches than now.

 

[VintageReefer]

I just posted this same kind of thing in his thread but based off 60g I also said 3ml. lol I think 3ml would be good but as I stated in his thread my math for my tank worked out to 6 ml, I dosed 10ml for 10 days. Go big or go home? lol I have never seen bigger flesh bands on my torches than now.

My personal tanks calculation was 3.75 ml and I dosed 5ml at 3x a day for 5 nights. Worked great

 

[loydy1166]

In Tank Cipro treatment simplified. This is used for brown jelly disease. Can be use for other things like torch bacteria infection.This is how I did it simplify from the Original thread. I have to give credit to the original thread because they help me treat brown-jelly disease in my tank and help my torches recover. Many thanks if the original see this.

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

www.reef2reef.com

BEWARE Do this at your own risk. Making concentration for dosing intank. Add 500mg tablet into 50ml of rodi water. Mix well. If possible store in a dark container or anything that is not clear so cipro doesn’t degrade. When mixed store in fridge. Calculate how much (Amount tank water in liters) multiple by (.125) divide by 10. In mL. for example 284 liters x .125 divide 10= 3.55 mL This is how much you dose in ml every night. Turn off skimmer and take out carbon. Turn on skimmer during the day when lights on if you want but can be left off. This can kill some of good bacteria so recommend adding bottle bacteria after treatment. Reapply some bacteria using biospira or Dr. Tim’s after treatment. Add carbon. Can also do a water change if you like, if reapply bacteria do water change first then reapply bottle bacteria.

 

[loydy1166]

In Tank Cipro treatment simplified. This is used for brown jelly disease. Can be use for other things like torch bacteria infection.This is how I did it simplify from the Original thread. I have to give credit to the original thread because they help me treat brown-jelly disease in my tank and help my torches recover. Many thanks if the original see this.

Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

Brown Jelly Disease (BJD) is an issue many reefers have run into. Like most coral diseases, the pathogen causing BJD has not been conclusively determined. Here I will share some observations and test results supporting the idea that its caused by a bacterial pathogen, and so may be treatable...

www.reef2reef.com

BEWARE Do this at your own risk. Making concentration for dosing intank. Add 500mg tablet into 50ml of rodi water. Mix well. If possible store in a dark container or anything that is not clear so cipro doesn’t degrade. When mixed store in fridge. Calculate how much (Amount tank water in liters) multiple by (.125) divide by 10. In mL. for example 284 liters x .125 divide 10= 3.55 mL This is how much you dose in ml every night. Turn off skimmer and take out carbon. Turn on skimmer during the day when lights on if you want but can be left off. This can kill some of good bacteria so recommend adding bottle bacteria after treatment. Reapply some bacteria using biospira or Dr. Tim’s after treatment. Add carbon. Can also do a water change if you like, if reapply bacteria do water change first then reapply bottle bacteria.

 

[AustinJT]

I'm a huge advocate for cipro and amoxicillin for our sick pets. I run baths weekly for my tanks.

However I will play devils advocate and suggest large baths over whole tank treatment. Not because it kills good bacteria because there is a study that shows it actually doesn't as much as we think.

Here's why....

We all have bacteria in our tanks.

Good

Bad

Some like BJ that are the worst.

Our tanks are growing and changing on a daily basis.

Bacteria grows and changes as well.

When we add a frag...different bacteria.

When we stick our hand in the tank....different bacteria.

When we feed...different bacteria.

I think you get the point.

When we treat our whole tank we DO NOT allow any bacteria to diversify or grow.

That means if you dose meds for a long time, then you are always going to have sick coral if you miss doses or for argumemts sake lets say a week of dosing....because any bacteria you add that the coral are not used to will negatively affect them as they are relying on the meds to remove the bacteria instead of growing a natural immunity to it.

Baths allow the corals to get a break from the bad bacteria or overload of bacteria in our tanks and regain strength to fight off said bacteria eventually.

If you dose a reef tank daily with meds you are no longer keeping a reef tank but you are now keeping a hospital tank.

Same could be said for any additive but meds are a little different than ab+ or reef frenzy.

At the end of the day do what makes you feel good for your corals and tank but be ready to continue adding meds long term because the moment you stop is the moment your tank will go through a stage where it is adjusting back to whatever bacteria is introduced, which will most likely lead to bj again.

Belive it or not this happens a lot now with vendors who get coral in and cipro them for 2 months and then ship them to someone buying them and then the coral dies in their tank from BJ and they don't know why....the coral literally went from a hospital tank to our home tank and was bombarded by bacteria.

Don't mean to be a downer as cipro is amazing!

Do you have Mixing/Dosing Ration of Combination between Amox & Cipro? How many mg per 100L?

Does it need to be pre-mixed with RODI? Can it just dose directly into the tank? Cause my Tank is 2400L. I think it's enough to use an entire tablet, based on ratio that I found in Comment, mind be using roughly 500mg.

But since I have access from 100mg, 150mg, 200mg, 300mg and 500mg. I could pretty much use the exact amount I want.

Please help... thank you...

I got SPS damaged as they outgrow and getting to close too each other. All of sudden within this past week, I lost 8psc of old SPS between 1 to 3yrs.

 

[spartanman22]

I followed this protocol for treating a gigantea and haddoni in my display. My gig showed mild symptoms about a week after receiving but my small haddoni was inflating/deflating and mouth opening up pretty good.

I followed the dosing instructions and dosed 2x/day (before lights came on, and after then turned off) and kept the skimmer off the entire treatment. All my fish are in quarantine so no skimmer actually helped nutrients a little bit, they were starting to drop off.

My question is I’m not certain when to stop the treatment. I went 7full days of dosing and both anemones look good. Mouths are tight and they’re fully and happy during the day. I am still finding both will deflate over night. The mouths stay tight, they just deflate. Is this just normal nem behavior or should I continue treatment until I no longer see nighttime deflation?

 

[Arnaldo24]

Can any1 please help me with the math too??
I also been having the problem of a hammer or torch being irritated and eventually bailing out
I have try everything an anything
Been doing this for 16 years so I know a thing or two about husbandry. Finally a friend try it and I decided to give it a shot too

I have a 360 gl display and 100 gl sump
Thanks in advance

 

[FernBluffReef]

I followed this protocol for treating a gigantea and haddoni in my display. My gig showed mild symptoms about a week after receiving but my small haddoni was inflating/deflating and mouth opening up pretty good.

I followed the dosing instructions and dosed 2x/day (before lights came on, and after then turned off) and kept the skimmer off the entire treatment. All my fish are in quarantine so no skimmer actually helped nutrients a little bit, they were starting to drop off.

My question is I’m not certain when to stop the treatment. I went 7full days of dosing and both anemones look good. Mouths are tight and they’re fully and happy during the day. I am still finding both will deflate over night. The mouths stay tight, they just deflate. Is this just normal nem behavior or should I continue treatment until I no longer see nighttime deflation?

It is not unusual at all for nems to ball up at night due to the change in lighting.

I treated my nem for about seven days. I did not wait until completely recovered as the QT tank was also stressful and I felt the nem was starting to waste away - needed more / better light than my QT could provide

Inspiration attached. My sick nem ~5” in diameter, mouth gapping after about 5 days of treatment, to today (just over two years later) now well over 24” in diameter. It tends to ball up a couple times a week when the lights go out. Every night it does shrink quite a bit. I like it best in the evening and night when it’s more compact. That said, it’s neat to see the clown fish trying to snuggle in the tiny number of tentacles exposed when balled up.

Good luck. Beautiful animals.

 

[spartanman22]

Well after almost a month with the gig and, what seemed like successful in tank dosing, my gig took a drastic and rapid decline. Was full and looking normal yesterday and rotting today.

In my experiences in the past with gigs they don’t decline this quickly. Several other anemones (including haddonis) without issue.

 

[BryanM]

Mixing and the math for the dose is easy enough, but overall if you're just trying to prevent diseases how many doses would one use?

Seems for my 210 gallons each dose would be 10ml. Should I do that for 3 days? 5 days? Thanks

 

[Pistondog]

Mixing and the math for the dose is easy enough, but overall if you're just trying to prevent diseases how many doses would one use?

Seems for my 210 gallons each dose would be 10ml. Should I do that for 3 days? 5 days? Thanks

I dont think it makes sense to use unless you have an active outbreak.