Is H2O2 dosing the secret to clean rocks?

[Reeferdeluxe]

I ran 20 mil of 3% total water volume of 125 gal. It cleared my water but not much else. I did this for a few weeks. What is the gha killing dose and dosing schedule?

I have some corals frogsoawn, zoas, acropora, plating montipora, anacropora all of those nothing negatively affected other than snails and 2 skunk cleaner shrimp and 1 fire shrimp. I was sick and tired of dinos and the only thing that seemed to put a dwnt in them was h2o2 so I went all in. I also read an article from wmas where a guy said that was the only way he was able to effectively defeat dinos as well.

 

[Reeferdeluxe]

I have some corals frogsoawn, zoas, acropora, plating montipora, anacropora all of those nothing negatively affected other than snails and 2 skunk cleaner shrimp and 1 fire shrimp. I was sick and tired of dinos and the only thing that seemed to put a dwnt in them was h2o2 so I went all in. I also read an article from wmas where a guy said that was the only way he was able to effectively defeat dinos as well.

Woops sorry meant that for Cory.

 

[Subsea]

Ok you win lol. Any corals? When i dosed 10ml of 30% the skin of fish would bubble from it. If i dosed 125ml of 30% which would be about the same as 15% at 300ml to 150 gallons, i think it would kill my fish too. But i didn't have any sand its bare bottom so its possible having less organics to oxidize increases its effect. 10ml killed dinos very well. But they always came back. Uv sterilizer got rid of them.

For certain, less organics will allow more residual peroxide to remain in water. Very similar to treating swimming pool with chlorine or bacacele. Once organics are oxidized, it takes less oxidizer to maintain residual that is desired.

Can an oxygen meter be a direct measurement control device for peroxide dosing?

so much room for new discoveries agreed. if it helps any in planning, people with orp meters routinely post a drop (paradoxical, the rise is expected, Randy thinks this is organics-modulated wanted to relay) and then a rebound within 4 hours. we think its neutralized within 4 hours of tankwide addition, that's its functional time. we add lysmatas back in 4 hours after big doses.

You mentioned ORP meter, which is in my experiences was not a reliable indicator. While I have never used an oxygen meter to do this, I think the Europeans use an oxygen meter to regulate peroxide continuous drip. Oxidator

While peroxide well degrade in time with light, the speed at which an extra oxygen molecule reacts is quite fast in the water. If someone who batch doses every day could get an oxygen meter with continuous readout it could help with a direct reading instead of waiting for color change on rock.

 

[Rmckoy]

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[Subsea]

Anyone using Dr. Sochting's Oxydator

1.5 days with Oxydator A with 2 cat and 12% peroxide. 90g tank. Water still yellow, no improvement at all. Oxydators don't work super fast so be patient. If you want to get rid of the yellow quickly, add some carbon.

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This is a post yesterday by @Lasse on the use of an Oxydator which drips hydrogen peroxide and might take a month to clean up. I suspect that all macro algae would be in jeapordy with this system, I think Laissez would know.

 

[RobB'z Reef]

These fish are already drinking all of my vodka and using up the wife's vinegar, now I have give them the peroxide too

Hopefully you're giving them grey goose

 

[brandon429]

The way an oxydator tamps down burn rates it has no known sensitives I bet it will not harm anything. That being said, nobody beats dinos with an oxydator but they’re good for water clarity help. Lysmata are not killed with these devices they slow incursion tremendously and streamline it out slowly.

 

[Tamberav]

I have used it to spot treat problem algae like bryopsis but I don't dose peroxide continuously (which seems to be what the poll is about?) and I have clean rocks sooo..... No?

I think the secret is a mature stable tank and a CUC.

 

[Cwentz758]

What is peroxide’s affect on anemones?

 

[Subsea]

What is peroxide’s affect on anemones?

While I never dose peroxide to bulk water, if I want to eliminate pest, I soak rock with anemone or coral for 10 minutes in a 10% solution of 3% peroxide. When I want to kill pest anemone like aptasia, I inject concentrate peroxide into biomass.

 

[Subsea]

@brandon429
@Lasse

On this thread, bulk dose of 6% peroxide at a rate of
4ml per 130G tank every day. My math skills are weak. Can someone please calculate ppb concentration.

Brandon,
You implied that peroxide would not hurt micro fauna & fana and you said it did not effect bacteria populations. That includes two different groups of players in the microbial loop. We would be hard pressed to quantify micro fauna & fana diverse populations but the reef community now has access to quantitative bacteria populations in our reef tanks. If you would use that tool, I would be more convinced by your discussion.



Lasse,
Does the use of an Oxydator effect macro algae?

What are your thoughts on batch dosing peroxide every day at the above mentioned dose rate.
Patrick

PS: It’s always, “A Question of Balance”.

 

[Cory]

Imo the main reason high doses of peroxide wouldn't kill bacteria is because they were protected by an organic layer of detritus.

 

[DaddyFish]

Is there some way to clarify "high doses" versus "average doses" versus "low doses" in this discussion?
For those of us who are presently in the "no doses" section of the stands, it's a lot like watching soccer. How do you play this game, exactly???

I keep breaking out a calculator and attempting to normalize every other post of 3% then 6% then 30% then daily then...
Is there any consensus on what the initial first-approach looks like?

 

[Futuretotm]

@brandon429

I dose nightly 20ml of 3% peroxide, should I have my doser dump in at once or in smaller doses?
I do at night time as lights are out, I still have GHA here and there....

Also, I wonder if after a week or two that bottle has 1.25% h2o2 instead of the 3%, any word on shelf life after opening? I use the dark brown bottle it comes in and have a drilled hole on the top for the tubing to go in ...

 

[DaddyFish]

@brandon429

I dose nightly 20ml of 3% peroxide, should I have my doser dump in at once or in smaller doses?
I do at night time as lights are out, I still have GHA here and there....

Also, I wonder if after a week or two that bottle has 1.25% h2o2 instead of the 3%, any word on shelf life after opening? I use the dark brown bottle it comes in and have a drilled hole on the top for the tubing to go in ...

@Futuretotm what size tank?

 

[brandon429]

hey Future thanks for posting, such a neat thread to see the energy buzzing. The gha is hit and miss when dosing, for sure some folks have no benefit and for others it cleared their whole tank


the main aspect in my opinion that makes peroxide fun to work with is we can all see its not dangerous there are just various outcomes and patterns we try and replicate. Your current setup is open for experimentation safely and I don't have much data on the degradation rates in bottle so sorry haven't tracked any ways to accurately measure the degradation if present

Reef2Reef Pest algae challenge thread hydrogen peroxide

What you are really in for: Hand cleaning, hard work siphon and rasp-removing of accumulations and invasions outside the tank and doing massive water changes is 90% of this thread, peroxide is 10%. We almost never dose peroxide into the tank water, this is a you-work-physically-hard as catch-up...

www.reef2reef.com

check that gha zapping

we do not add peroxide to the water there, that's a direct contact thread. gha=bye

works wonders in nano reefs and its harder to affect in large tanks because of accessibility.

the reason nobody's gha escapes unharmed there is because we didn't add to the water and wait.

 

[LRT]

I’ve been dosing H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) for months and there are many threads here about it. I started dosing when I got dinos just to help with the battle. Dinos went away and I stayed away from algal blooms. I then got some cyano in some low flow spots. I added flow but also started to slowly dose more H2O2. The end result was clean beautiful purple rocks. So I dose 5 mL (6% solution) daily by hand to my 130g. Only downside is my zoas close up for 5 minutes almost immediately but have no long term downsides.

Here are the beautiful, clean purple rocks with healthy SPS.

Curious to hear others’ experiences. And no I don’t see this as a fix to algae problems but just part of a maintenance regimen.

Are you diluting the 12% food grade down to 6%?
I ask because I got a bottle of the 12% to clean some discs up and may hit my system a couple times to see if it helps with this brown hair nuisance algae ive been fighting.

 

[MichaelReefer]

I've had a big problem with GHA in my sump because of my refugium. I know, I know...its still exporting nutrients. It's just so messy and ugly and gets EVERYWHERE. I was thinking about dosing h202 for it. Would that have any effect at all? Or if I did 1ml per 10 gallons of my tank but turn my return off and let it sit in the sump for an hour or so?

@brandon429

 

[Subsea]

I've had a big problem with GHA in my sump because of my refugium. I know, I know...its still exporting nutrients. It's just so messy and ugly and gets EVERYWHERE. I was thinking about dosing h202 for it. Would that have any effect at all? Or if I did 1ml per 10 gallons of my tank but turn my return off and let it sit in the sump for an hour or so?

@brandon429

Does your refugium have an algae filter component to it? If it does, then peroxide will kill both.

 

[brandon429]

@Subsea

thread moving so fast am missing posts

based on the logged outcomes/ rolls of reports from dosing, which portion indicates loss of those communities

fully agreed we aren't actually sampling and testing to know what lives and dies, but just big picture only / how are all those doses looking in hindsight/any major tank upsets we see>

I absolutely love how forums provide counter balance for claims were it not for strong science throttling/verification/caution in forums crazier practices would be quickly adopted. I love having a high bar to reach for convincing that dosing is safe, love it. peroxide may indeed turn out to be not safe, but we now are in the realm of ten year feedback avail/truly long term impacts or benefits are developing.



For sure something must be dying at the microbial level, I just don't know what and the results make it seem neutral overall anyway.