IS IT TIME FOR FISH????
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tangsandclowns2025
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What do you mean I need measurable nitrates? I thought the Nitrites will go down and then the Ammonia goes down
Uncle99
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Ammonia to Nitrite, Nitrite to Nitrate. Goes further down in terms of consumption, buts that the “cycle” I use anyway, before adding fish.
You see two of three, so what’s nitrates, if you have them your cycled, enough for 1-2 small additions.
You see two of three, so what’s nitrates, if you have them your cycled, enough for 1-2 small additions.
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Lavey29
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When a tank is cycling properly you will have 0 ammonia and measurable nitrate production. Did you add nitrifying bacteria? You don't need to test nitrites. They are irrelevant. Just test ammonia and nitrates.
You dose ammonia and wait 24 hours then test. If it reads 0 and you have good nitrates production then your tanknis cycling.
You dose ammonia and wait 24 hours then test. If it reads 0 and you have good nitrates production then your tanknis cycling.
tangsandclowns2025
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Ok I've heard you also have a little bit of Nitrates correct? So what's "ideal" water parameters?
Lavey29
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Perhaps you should do a little more research into the hobby so you better understand how to sustain a marine tank with inhabitants. There are general standards for tank parameters which you can find easily via Google.
tangsandclowns2025
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That's Capt!
jabberwock
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I would wait...
Nothing good in this hobby happens fast.
Uncle99
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Absolutely on-point stable chemistry at all times forever starting with 0 TDS RODI for mix and top off.
Maintaining the current level of each major parameter in our saltwater, in traditional ranges used in the hobby.
Salinity….king….if this is off….others all off so always confirm this before testing others.
Important
Temp,Alk,Nitrate,Phosphate and maybe to a slightly lesser degree CA and MG, but still important.
Ranges
Salinity 1.025-1.026 (1.020-1.023 fish only)
Alk 8-12…..I just shot for 10dkh, but all of them work.
Temp 78-80
CA 420-465ppm
MG 1400-1450ppm
Nitrate SPS dominant..Say 2ppm
Nitrate Mixed…..say 5-15ppm.
Phosphate…..say .1ppm to .2ppm
Feed you system:
Weekly splashes of phyto and aminos will aid in the speed of development of the things you can’t see, but, with good populations, can keep rock and sand clean. They also stop on the onset of pest crap like Dino’s and cyanos.
This group of micro friends also end up, being consumed by corals which mop up some of the organics in your waters, a.k.a, lower nitrates and phosphate.
That’s my take anyways.
Mirror the exact levels of what’s in your salt choice (I’d pic one that is ALWAYS available) in your water.
KNOW by testing, the level of each parameter, week over week, noting any consistent trends and if necessary, correcting that to keep as best as possible, the original numbers you started with.
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brandon429
what, exactly, are you doing in your avatar
In old cycling science those parameters reported would cause fear, hesitation, and alarm. And at minimum multiple reverification tests + three new bottles of bacteria and six weeks delay.
But to new cycling science, those are likely readings from any reef on this board including eight year running ones
Why is that? (The answer illuminates differences in old vs new cycling science. Ocs is flat earthing by comparison he he)
The one variable missing needed to solve here is simple: how many days has tank been running?
Why this is the determinant? new cycling science is predictive vs reactive:
If his tank is one day old, those levels are enough to feed bacteria just fine
Give them the ten days shown on Dr Reefs bottle bac thread that any brand of bacteria requires to adhere to all rock surfaces... his cycle end date is ten days after this stew was made. This is so water changes won't reduce your suspended pre implantation bac levels as worst case scenario
The levels are still within safety range... if you have a one day old reef and added a fish, the bottle bac you added will carry these levels at steady state even with an extra fish load in place
You wouldn't harm a fish if you've used bottle bac to earn these numbers/ who doesn't use bottle bac/ predicted you did.
But if his day is ten or more, the cycle is done because:
That's enough time for adhesion of any brand. Your test kits didn't determine readiness, your wait time does and it's the one missing variable here
Nobody cares about nitrite or nitrate in new cycling science. Any answer you approximate and relay factors 0% if it's nitrite and nitrate data. But for hardliners: just like ammonia, nitrite isn't zero in a running reef tank. There's some in conversion. If you want to study nitrite get a real digital kit and stop guessing with colorimetrics
When the Hanna nitrite meter is applied to a running reef, that reading above is in spec which is why it wouldn't alarm a ncs referee. If you want to study real nitrite data here vs guesstimates, look up Lasse
He audits nitrite levels in reef tanks: how many zeros does he report? (None, he reports the above levels in ready reefs)
Nitrite is still useless data in today's cycle it's strictly about disease plan (not safe to add fish until there is one, though our cycle will carry any fish you want)
Lastly, that ammonia above is nh3
Nh3, the one we use, is ten times lower and in any study book that's sublethal ammonia for all organisms we keep.
I'll vote ready after the disease plan is in place even though it would carry six fish rn
All likelihood you're past day ten.
OK: how predictable was your cycle based on provided and omitted info? :)
= ncs
But to new cycling science, those are likely readings from any reef on this board including eight year running ones
Why is that? (The answer illuminates differences in old vs new cycling science. Ocs is flat earthing by comparison he he)
The one variable missing needed to solve here is simple: how many days has tank been running?
Why this is the determinant? new cycling science is predictive vs reactive:
If his tank is one day old, those levels are enough to feed bacteria just fine
Give them the ten days shown on Dr Reefs bottle bac thread that any brand of bacteria requires to adhere to all rock surfaces... his cycle end date is ten days after this stew was made. This is so water changes won't reduce your suspended pre implantation bac levels as worst case scenario
The levels are still within safety range... if you have a one day old reef and added a fish, the bottle bac you added will carry these levels at steady state even with an extra fish load in place
You wouldn't harm a fish if you've used bottle bac to earn these numbers/ who doesn't use bottle bac/ predicted you did.
But if his day is ten or more, the cycle is done because:
That's enough time for adhesion of any brand. Your test kits didn't determine readiness, your wait time does and it's the one missing variable here
Nobody cares about nitrite or nitrate in new cycling science. Any answer you approximate and relay factors 0% if it's nitrite and nitrate data. But for hardliners: just like ammonia, nitrite isn't zero in a running reef tank. There's some in conversion. If you want to study nitrite get a real digital kit and stop guessing with colorimetrics
When the Hanna nitrite meter is applied to a running reef, that reading above is in spec which is why it wouldn't alarm a ncs referee. If you want to study real nitrite data here vs guesstimates, look up Lasse
He audits nitrite levels in reef tanks: how many zeros does he report? (None, he reports the above levels in ready reefs)
Nitrite is still useless data in today's cycle it's strictly about disease plan (not safe to add fish until there is one, though our cycle will carry any fish you want)
Lastly, that ammonia above is nh3
Nh3, the one we use, is ten times lower and in any study book that's sublethal ammonia for all organisms we keep.
I'll vote ready after the disease plan is in place even though it would carry six fish rn
All likelihood you're past day ten.
OK: how predictable was your cycle based on provided and omitted info? :)
= ncs
brandon429
what, exactly, are you doing in your avatar
Old cycling science never ever validates maximum wait times as the inherent fault
By believing absolutely any levels stated from posters AND by expecting 0/0/x readings to be cycled (must have nitrate) the refs hardly ever encounter a ready- reef.
Nitrate has no bearing in cycling anymore bc kit accuracy varies, he may have sixty ppm and not know it, and because denitrification happens at times and it doesn't mean someone uncycled
Thousands of reefs here report zero nitrate then dose some stump remover or equivalents... those aren't uncycled tanks.
Ncs is clear, cut, dry and believes the cycling charts from 1957 (ironically) more than the ranging compliance times everyone believes nowadays.
The irony is that all cycling charts from books show an XY axis chart for solving parameters. There's a parameter axis, and a: time axis
And you can solve for poor testing machinery just by switching everyone over to the time axis. = ncs
How many days does it take for ammonia to drop on all printed cycling charts? = 10 days. That's where ncs got it's wait times.
By believing absolutely any levels stated from posters AND by expecting 0/0/x readings to be cycled (must have nitrate) the refs hardly ever encounter a ready- reef.
Nitrate has no bearing in cycling anymore bc kit accuracy varies, he may have sixty ppm and not know it, and because denitrification happens at times and it doesn't mean someone uncycled
Thousands of reefs here report zero nitrate then dose some stump remover or equivalents... those aren't uncycled tanks.
Ncs is clear, cut, dry and believes the cycling charts from 1957 (ironically) more than the ranging compliance times everyone believes nowadays.
The irony is that all cycling charts from books show an XY axis chart for solving parameters. There's a parameter axis, and a: time axis
And you can solve for poor testing machinery just by switching everyone over to the time axis. = ncs
How many days does it take for ammonia to drop on all printed cycling charts? = 10 days. That's where ncs got it's wait times.
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brandon429
what, exactly, are you doing in your avatar
Further hint: there aren't any aquariums on the site that aren't fish ready
But there's hundreds who aren't ready for a full water change yet... that seems backwards, but it upholds the rule above and it also explains why nobody in reefing really truly has seen a failed cycle that killed fish. Post one if you have. (What we've seen are various reactions to test kit levels with no factor on wait time=ocs)
When people tell you they've seen failed cycles, they've really just seen tanks where api seemed a little too dark but the fish were all alive, always.
Old cycling science warns us about harming fish with a cycle, but they've never actually seen it occur and can't link a single time they encountered one. A word of mouth warning but never a materialized one.
The fact everyone has living fish on any thread we check for a cycle lines up with why this tank can carry fish on day 1 or day 15. New cycling science doesn't contradict it's very ordered and simple in every job/ hence the results everyone can search.
That's why your selected disease protocol determines when you can add fish. Regarding the cycle-- everyone pulls it off, there aren't fails to read about, it's the ich that gets them the disease forum shows
Also from the disease forum: how you cycle didn't matter. Long cyclers don't have less disease expression at all.
How many days has your tank been running?
But there's hundreds who aren't ready for a full water change yet... that seems backwards, but it upholds the rule above and it also explains why nobody in reefing really truly has seen a failed cycle that killed fish. Post one if you have. (What we've seen are various reactions to test kit levels with no factor on wait time=ocs)
When people tell you they've seen failed cycles, they've really just seen tanks where api seemed a little too dark but the fish were all alive, always.
Old cycling science warns us about harming fish with a cycle, but they've never actually seen it occur and can't link a single time they encountered one. A word of mouth warning but never a materialized one.
The fact everyone has living fish on any thread we check for a cycle lines up with why this tank can carry fish on day 1 or day 15. New cycling science doesn't contradict it's very ordered and simple in every job/ hence the results everyone can search.
That's why your selected disease protocol determines when you can add fish. Regarding the cycle-- everyone pulls it off, there aren't fails to read about, it's the ich that gets them the disease forum shows
Also from the disease forum: how you cycle didn't matter. Long cyclers don't have less disease expression at all.
How many days has your tank been running?
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brandon429
what, exactly, are you doing in your avatar
Don't keep us hanging too long on how many days the tank has been running
:)
Since few people have been trained on skip cycling, no wait time reef cycling, they assume any rushing is not possible
(Which must mean no reef convention is possible since they didn't have 3 weeks to prepare all the fully stocked demo reefs: they have a few hours to set up reefs with a hundred thous in fish, corals and either live or dry rock depending on the vendor)
anyone asking the title question in this thread is predictably 99.99999% at or near beyond 10 days and they're solving for the parameter axis vs the time axis. That's all my cards/ can't wait / suspense. Prediction is you're day ten + and ready but ain't gonna factor that disease either way. This is how the masses cycle.
Final takeaway: buyers are trained oppositely on cycling to sellers. Which party benefits in the money flow for that dichotomy? hint: not buyers :)
For buyers they want you in constant doubt and retesting mode so you'll buy protections listed in my opening volley
:)
Since few people have been trained on skip cycling, no wait time reef cycling, they assume any rushing is not possible
(Which must mean no reef convention is possible since they didn't have 3 weeks to prepare all the fully stocked demo reefs: they have a few hours to set up reefs with a hundred thous in fish, corals and either live or dry rock depending on the vendor)
anyone asking the title question in this thread is predictably 99.99999% at or near beyond 10 days and they're solving for the parameter axis vs the time axis. That's all my cards/ can't wait / suspense. Prediction is you're day ten + and ready but ain't gonna factor that disease either way. This is how the masses cycle.
Final takeaway: buyers are trained oppositely on cycling to sellers. Which party benefits in the money flow for that dichotomy? hint: not buyers :)
For buyers they want you in constant doubt and retesting mode so you'll buy protections listed in my opening volley
brandon429
what, exactly, are you doing in your avatar
Done
Used post history. He's at day ten as stated
Used fritz which is the fastest adhering bac at 24 max 48 hours but still able to skip cycle, as stated.
This cycle is now complete
I want to play against deep blue and chat gpt bring them to me
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Used post history. He's at day ten as stated
Used fritz which is the fastest adhering bac at 24 max 48 hours but still able to skip cycle, as stated.
This cycle is now complete
I want to play against deep blue and chat gpt bring them to me
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brandon429
what, exactly, are you doing in your avatar
Writing three pages of predictions about someone's reef before you get more than three sentences in description along with predicting what all readers here have and have not seen in reef cycling is so ncs
It's not being brazen
It's using a rule set anyone here can change right to: you become the seller permanently thereafter. No cycle stumps you because day ten is a great equalizer=
-Fifty years of cycling charts never vary on 10 day drops/ some say 12 whoopee close enough
-dr reefs huge bottle bac thread had all brands adhered by day ten pretty much
- anyone here find me two calibrated seneye cycles that weren't ready by day *3* much less day ten: and I'll PayPal the first finder twenty bucks. I'll put a small bounty that ncs can't be beat in prediction.
The reef here is ready because convention reefs had less time and were more ready
And because day ten is the equalizer
Any thread we've all seen is simply just living fish over and over and over it doesn't matter how long the wait was, these are the facts that link us
Varying ready dates for reefs= old cycling science
Exact start dates for every reef (reef conventions are examples) and knowing the ready date for any stage of cycling without testing= new cycling science. Testless cycling science that is time axis based and disease focus as top priority is new cycling science.
* an error is aired. I predicted no care about disease but you asked about qt cycling in a prior post. Well done, I'll tamp down the reeftyping significantly:)
It's not being brazen
It's using a rule set anyone here can change right to: you become the seller permanently thereafter. No cycle stumps you because day ten is a great equalizer=
-Fifty years of cycling charts never vary on 10 day drops/ some say 12 whoopee close enough
-dr reefs huge bottle bac thread had all brands adhered by day ten pretty much
- anyone here find me two calibrated seneye cycles that weren't ready by day *3* much less day ten: and I'll PayPal the first finder twenty bucks. I'll put a small bounty that ncs can't be beat in prediction.
The reef here is ready because convention reefs had less time and were more ready
And because day ten is the equalizer
Any thread we've all seen is simply just living fish over and over and over it doesn't matter how long the wait was, these are the facts that link us
Varying ready dates for reefs= old cycling science
Exact start dates for every reef (reef conventions are examples) and knowing the ready date for any stage of cycling without testing= new cycling science. Testless cycling science that is time axis based and disease focus as top priority is new cycling science.
* an error is aired. I predicted no care about disease but you asked about qt cycling in a prior post. Well done, I'll tamp down the reeftyping significantly:)
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tangsandclowns2025
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brandon429
what, exactly, are you doing in your avatar
There's nothing funnier than grossly overanalyzing someone's cycle that's for sure.
What I think would be a tragedy is cycling any way you choose and then they all die by November. You're reading the right materials to prevent that, dang good job in preps that's cutting edge to care and plan for diseases.
You don't just wait open ended
You read about disease preps while you wait and that's what controls stocking details, not the cycle.
What I think would be a tragedy is cycling any way you choose and then they all die by November. You're reading the right materials to prevent that, dang good job in preps that's cutting edge to care and plan for diseases.
You don't just wait open ended
You read about disease preps while you wait and that's what controls stocking details, not the cycle.
tangsandclowns2025
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I started on Tuesday of Last week. I used Fritz 900 beneficial bacteria and Dr Tims Ammonia.
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