[email protected]!t you have to tag me so I know that you are posting for me.Whats your Best Buy for Monday lol
I’ve worked as an importer many years ago. The losses don’t hit them very hard. Fish are resilient and it takes time for them to expend that. Losses start at the LFS and seem to peak a week or so later. Remember, many diseases are actually picked up at the importers and at some LFS.Thanks alot - So - of course every answer brings new questions (to me anyway) - At what point in the numbers above - with the Grade B SE asian fish - does the mortality clock start. When they are taken out of the ocean? When they hit the LFS? Or after they are sold to the reefer?
Also I'm going to ask you to make another guess if thats ok. Lets say someone followed all of the recommendations you listed that lower the rate - except they did not use Medication unless disease was present (I.e. they can use observation, observation with treatment when needed or nothing) - just not prophylactic medication. PS - I now this is a lot different for an EDIT - PUBLIC aquarium - as compared to John Doe's reef tank. It is very clear - and the rationale is very clear - why a large aquarium would have an excellent biosecurity program.
Lastly - you say your annual mortality - makes me wonder - do you guys ship your fish directly from the 'source' - I assume you do. So - I'm thinking your mortality means 25-30 percent of fish out of the ocean. Is that correct - And happy Thanksgiving - and thanks for all of your hard work on behalf of the hobby!
I disagree. Every new person at anyything is a Noob which is short for "New Be" regardless of skill level. It is just a term to denote very new participation at any particular endeavor.IMHO - not every 'new reefer' is a 'noob'
Great - you're using my words - by that definition - we are both noobs. LOL. I know what Noob is short for - newbie - But - as I said the main point of my response to you - is that we agree on 95 percent of the practice. Not as much of the scienceI disagree. Every new person at anyything is a Noob which is short for "New Be" regardless of skill level. It is just a term to denote very new participation at any particular endeavor.
But you can take that apart any way you like as I won't comment on it again.
I got a 3 D printer last year so I am a Noob when it comes to that. Like as HuduVudu suggested, I dated a Supermodel, I would be a Noob at it. Albeit, a very happy Noob.
Curious - how long do you do a freshwater dip for hard corals. My guess is that the time it would take to kill parasites - would be long enough to damage coral significantly (depending on the type)Started my tank in January. Haven't had a single fish, urchin or Coral loss with the exception of one fish that got eaten by a Moray eel of which I was expecting to happen. (No I didn't put it in as a feeder fish it was a fish called a trumpeter similar to a sardine that I caught when fishing)
Fish I get from the sea go direct into the tank no aculmation. Fish from the store or from other people's shutdowns get a drip until it's %
80% my water 20% theirs them direct to display tank. Corals get either a fresh water dip or Coral dip solution then into the tank.
I have brissleworm and tubeworm I did spot a head of aptasia the other day but it's gone missing when i rearranged the rock. But otherwise all happy and healthy (system is 1700ltr)
They joined r2r in August so 4 months so in or before your 8 month statement yes,but just read there first threads made on r2r and one thread is about having a qt tank in there sump to qt fish but seperate from the other part of their sump they say if aslong as there siliconing is good then they hope all be good ,another poster mentions dieseses/parasites aerosoling and travelling through the air and I will add also can get splashes so not a ideal way to qt but is a sort of qt better than no qt and they state " think maybe uronema " which to my understanding no medication can treat before/ during or after anyway but another poster replied in thread you shared above that damsels are known to be aggressive and wouldn't be surprised if the damsels attacked the chromis and causes the damaged scales and wasn't even uronema and op replied the following ......I just euthanized my first fish. :-( Have nearly a dozen years of freshwater experience and, I suppose I always had good luck. I never had to euthanize before, came close, but they'd usually recover. Took a few years off from the hobby, decided to try saltwater. Spent the last 7 months...www.reef2reef.com
whats the operating timeline there
am listing that to show when I relay data it’s from pattern watching in the forums. I’ve seen six more recently too thats just one happening by right now. It’s a pattern, and it doesn’t matter if others disagree or not it’s my pattern noted and all my cycling tanks hear about this pattern. within eight months we *tend* to hear about losses most of the time, 8/10 quarantine skippers report some type of challenge and it may or may not be a total wipeout it’s just eighty percent headaches of some degree expected within eight months of setup. By taking time to cycle tanks and stay up with the outcomes I’m noticing this pattern, I call it like I see it.
it doesn’t have to be eight months to the date, but that’s not 24 months at work or three, 7-8 months give or take is the approximation I like to work with and pick out from the myriad disease posts available for scanning nowadays.