Jebao DCP 20000 info needed

[mcarroll]

If you really need the head pressure, I might try to find a way to mount the a/c pump over the sump- so there's less consequential damage next time a $5 seal fails.

@me & my baby this is the kind of installation modification I was suggesting might help in the future. Not knowing what your install is like I don't know exactly what YOU would do, but this is a good idea I've seen in more than one Hammerhead deployment. (You need a check valve and/or a priming basket to make it work.)

Just ideas, man! :)

 

[me & my baby]

No there is nothing that with the install that could help . It is a straight shot from the sump to the pump and a straight shot up through the floor to the tank . No 90s no 45s . Also the pump sits in a vibration pad . The problem with these pump is once you notice the signs of the seals leaking the seal is gone

I've read of lots of different failure modes for Reeflo's (which you can only do with a pump that has a track record), most thankfully don't seem to be catastrophic like that, but there's a fair share of that are.

Ok so look at other pump . Echotech , Apex , Sicce and Mag drives all have there share of failures. Are there people that have those pumps I listed not have problems yes do you have people that have problems with them yes . Same with the jebao pumps I have read of complete failures as well as people have great success with them .

Actually there's a big difference to a brand/product with a track record and a no-name band with a new untested product. If you've been in the hobby this long, but using external pumps, maybe you've been sheltered from what cheap pumps are like....it isn't the same as Mag, Sicce, Ehiem or even Quiet One....not by a wide margin.

I wonder if EcoTech places themselves in the same category with Jebao? I doubt it.

The DCP-20000 has been on the market for at most a few years....so there just isn't much track record to go by.

I am not biased to any brand . No there are some brands I refuse to buy and that is from my own experience with that company . As far as recycling, there are places I send my old pumps And power heads to that recycle 100% of the unit . It’s no different recycling any of the pumps you listed . I don’t know why you seem to have a distaste for Jebao pumps or knock off but I am open to try different things .

I'm not either...I think I said what my main bias was a post or two back.....I'm biased toward submersibles in general.

I also enjoy having cheap asian pumps available. But have developed a distaste for them as return pumps. I only use them for non-mission critical applications...water changes, reactor feed, etc.

Adding a DC control to cheap asian pumps did not sway my opinion on that since controls like that tend to make a pump less reliable, not more. Reliability is my #1 criteria for a return pump, not feed timers, speed controls, etc.

Lastly, I do like to keep a clear head about what a "DC pump" really is. Whatever else they are, it's also a lot of hype.

So that's why I have a lot of questions.....and you're someone making an unusual switch from a big external pump, so I'm hoping you're willing to share data. That's all really.

Well, that and I have a big project in planning that might get a Hammerhead or comparable pump.....was really looking at larger Little Giants for the flow rate I need (~40 gpm), so that's whay made me wonder why you had ruled out these types of pump? (ie. mag drive, external motor, no seals.)

I have to disagree with you , do a Google search or even do a search on here for ecotech pump failure or even the there mp pump failure and tell me what you come up with . More came up in Google then there was for Jebao . Look at the issues with there MP pumps , they use cheap bearings that fail but that makes you have to buy a new wetside . If we really wanted to get technical if we could actually get the data from both companies I am sure there have been a lot more Jebao pumps sold then ecotech just because more people can afford to get them and a spare instead of just buying one of THE NAME brands . So think of this Ecotech sells 10k units and has 200 fail but Jebao sells 30k units and 600 fail it still the same percentage just seems more because more units where sold . Im sorry but all the dc pumps in the market except for the red dragon or the abyss I am not sure where they are made but they come from mostly the same factory And most of the name brand prices is just the name that you’re paying for . As far as you wonder if Ecotech put them self in the same category as Jebao it doesn’t matter to me what they think of themselves . I have used there product in the past and I am able to make up my own mind what category I put them in since it my money. There is nothing special about them .

The thing is I am not here debating internal , external I have had both in the past . Yes they both have there pros and cons and I have weighed my options out and chosen this pump to try . You can list any brand of pump you want and you can find failures in all off them .

The reality is I got feed up dealing with seals on the reeflo pumps. Some seals would last a few years and some would last 6 months. But it was the constant when is it going to fail is it just going to leak or is it going to flood when it does go bad . That I got tired of . So I am trying something different .

 

[me & my baby]

If you really need the head pressure, I might try to find a way to mount the a/c pump over the sump- so there's less consequential damage next time a $5 seal fails.

@me & my baby this is the kind of installation modification I was suggesting might help in the future. Not knowing what your install is like I don't know exactly what YOU would do, but this is a good idea I've seen in more than one Hammerhead deployment. (You need a check valve and/or a priming basket to make it work.)

Just ideas, man! :)

Check valve only works for the flow going to the tank , but when you have 75 gallon in the sump and all that leaks out then you have 40 gallons of auto top off that goes to keep up . So that’s 110 gallons of water that can come out . I always kept 250 gallons of RO water on hand a plus keeping 100 gallons of salt water on had at all times . So
The check valve doesn’t help not stop
Flooding .

 

[mcarroll]

I have to disagree with you , do a Google search or even do a search on here for ecotech pump failure or even the there mp pump failure and tell me what you come up with .

I actually did that after my last post.

Not one single thread for "reeflo hammerhead flood" but craploads for "jebao pump flood". Honestly this was surprising, as I know there have to have been "some" posts about floods even if it was just from user error – there's a LOT of Reeflo's out there.

Slightly different if I run your query ("reeflo pump failure"), and not sure I can quantify what I see without a lot of reading, but it looks like a lot of questions about Reeflo seals, and I don't see a lot of fails or floods. When I run "jebao pump failure", it's a long list of videos and forum threads with a lot of "URGENT..." type headlings indicating various failures, not sure how many are floods without reading a lot of extra stuff.

I don't know if it's a fair comparison given the way Google works, but it's not favorable to Jebao at all.

I do know you can't trust Google results to be the same from computer to computer tho, so I really wonder what others see too. My results were similar but not even identical between refreshes of the same search on the same computer.

Look at the issues with there MP pumps , they use cheap bearings that fail but that makes you have to buy a new wetside .

Don't get me started on that. I was in retail when those came out. CRAZY failure rate. It's gotten a lot better (how could it not???), but I still wonder if they are up to the durability/reliability of some other brands I could name.

Im sorry but all the dc pumps in the market except for the red dragon or the abyss I am not sure where they are made but they come from mostly the same factory And most of the name brand prices is just the name that you’re paying for .

Well, what has historically happened in the pump space is that some "brand" comes along – there have been, and still are *many* – and in true Chinese factory fashion, adopts product molds that another pump uses, has cheaper windings put in, skimps on solder and the case filler (who cares, it's only a Type II motor!) and uses cheaply-made impellers....all of which add up to a higher rate of premature failure in some fashion....but also adds up to a cheaper price, sometimes MUCH cheaper like 50% of the cost. So it's a viable product for some people for some things. Yay capitalism, right?

Where any particular no-name company like Jebao fits into this spectrum of spec'ing pumps they may or may not have any expertise in is anyone's guess...untili the brand establishes a track record, have had enough people use the product that it ends up being tested like they should have been at the factory (but that adds to the cost as well). Only then do we find out whether the power supplies last, whether they are efficient, if the impellers and/or case swell/crack when they heat up during use, etc, etc.

So are Jebao's better or worse than (eg) Hygger? How about compared to Waterbirth? Vevor? There's a crap-load of them. Are they all top notch? Are they all junk? If not, how do you know which is which?

I don't have time and money just to experiment most of the time, so I have to investigate a lot in cases like this OR go with a known quantity.

The thing is I am not here debating internal , external I have had both in the past . Yes they both have there pros and cons and I have weighed my options out and chosen this pump to try . You can list any brand of pump you want and you can find failures in all off them .

The reality is I got feed up dealing with seals on the reeflo pumps. Some seals would last a few years and some would last 6 months. But it was the constant when is it going to fail is it just going to leak or is it going to flood when it does go bad . That I got tired of . So I am trying something different .

It sounds like you feel like someone is trying to change your mind. That's too bad...

If you recall I just asked for some info once you get the pump installed. If the numbers are good, I want to know them just the same as if they are bad. Not sure what the big deal is now vs when I asked....didn't seem like a big deal to you at the time.

I also wondered about the Panworld style pumps since YOU mentioned them and I happened to ALSO be looking at that style.....thought you might have some insight since you decided against. As I've said, I haven't installed these myself, just used lots of them already in service....I have stuck with submersible pumps so far, personally.

Feel free to ignore me if the questions are bothering you.

Good luck either way.

 

[mcarroll]

"...pump flood"

"...pump failure"

First page of Google results from the search I did then the one you asked for, for what it's worth.

 

[mcarroll]

Check valve only works for the flow going to the tank , but when you have 75 gallon in the sump and all that leaks out then you have 40 gallons of auto top off that goes to keep up . So that’s 110 gallons of water that can come out . I always kept 250 gallons of RO water on hand a plus keeping 100 gallons of salt water on had at all times . So
The check valve doesn’t help not stop
Flooding .

Didn't see this before...and I'm with you at this point.

The check valve is an "and/or" option for running a Reeflo pump (or any pump that is not self-priming) above the water level that's it's pumping from.

Situating the pump over the sump is what "takes care of" the flood.

Maybe @Reefering1 can explain it since it was his idea or maybe the documentation from Reeflo will work for you... PDF attached, or find it on their website.

 

[me & my baby]

"...pump flood"

"...pump failure"

First page of Google results from the search I did then the one you asked for, for what it's worth.

When I was suggesting you do a google search I was referring to ecotech versus not reeflo . My reasoning for not going back to reeflo was do to my own personal experience with the pumps . And I you where referring to using subpar parts on pumps I can direct you back to the bearing that echotech used in there Mp pumps that people where paying 3-500 for . I understand these company want to maximize profits but when a big name knows there is an issue and takes for ever to change it but has no problem charging you for replacement parts with the same parts That failed the first time I have an issue with that . I’ve my 30 plus years in this hobby I have had expensive product fail and I have had cheap products that have surpassed my expectations. I am just open to try new things . When on of my pumps went out in my bubble king skimmer . It cost me almost as much as a new skimmer from a different company to replace . Say I buy 4 of the jebao 20000 at 225 each so 900 and I only get 5 years out of each that’s 20years . I buy 2 hammerheads for say 500 on the very low end that’s a 1000 and I get 20years out of them . Now take into the account I have to replace seals just say every 2 years that’s 360.00 so 720. For two pumps changing out the seals every 2 years . So now you’re at the pumps costing you 1720 . So at that price I could buy almost 8 of the 20000 pumps . That doesn’t count for the extra electricity. The hammerheaad as I remember was running 325 watts and even if the jebao runs anything below that , then that is saving me . As far as extra heat in the tank that would save me on running my 1,000 watt heater . I am never worried about it getting to hot since with my wife’s health condition we keep the house in the low 60s year round . Now as far as the little giant pumps , blue line and the iwaski I honestly never put them into thought since I haven’t used any of them since I quit running my old downdraft or Beckett skimmers .

 

[me & my baby]

This is my quick google search on reeflo pumps . So take it for what it is worth .

 

[me & my baby]

With the reeflo pumps you just never know when the seal is going to start leaking . That’s my issue with them .

 

[me & my baby]

14ft at 5 gallons took 17 seconds to fill the bucket so at 52 percent and 62 watts I am getting 1059 GPH and I still have a lot more I could turn it up . I am happy with that . The noise from the pump in my fish room is a lot quieter then my hammer head and upstairs at the stand I hear nothing where before I could hear the humming of the hammer head . I am happy .

 

[Reefering1]

What size pipe, from pump, are you using?

 

[me & my baby]

What size pipe, from pump, are you using?

I am using 1 1/2 up to about 8 inches below the tank then It drops down to 1in I also have 4 1 1/2 45s . I am very surprised of the flow I am getting .

 

[me & my baby]

Check valve only works for the flow going to the tank , but when you have 75 gallon in the sump and all that leaks out then you have 40 gallons of auto top off that goes to keep up . So that’s 110 gallons of water that can come out . I always kept 250 gallons of RO water on hand a plus keeping 100 gallons of salt water on had at all times . So
The check valve doesn’t help not stop
Flooding .

Didn't see this before...and I'm with you at this point.

The check valve is an "and/or" option for running a Reeflo pump (or any pump that is not self-priming) above the water level that's it's pumping from.

Situating the pump over the sump is what "takes care of" the flood.

Maybe @Reefering1 can explain it since it was his idea or maybe the documentation from Reeflo will work for you... PDF attached, or find it on their website.

Well if your still not sure about the jebao pump it’s working better then I expected.

 

[mcarroll]

Well if your still not sure about the jebao pump it’s working better then I expected.

That's good to hear!

How do you like the KillAwatt? I found a crapload of uses for mine after I got it.....and it finally died last year.....had it monitoring a Mag 36 when it gave up the ghost (no drama; it left the pump running).

14ft at 5 gallons took 17 seconds to fill the bucket so at 52 percent and 62 watts I am getting 1059 GPH and I still have a lot more I could turn it up . I am happy with that . The noise from the pump in my fish room is a lot quieter then my hammer head and upstairs at the stand I hear nothing where before I could hear the humming of the hammer head . I am happy .

The flow you're getting now makes me wonder if you may have had the Barracuda impeller in your old pump (Hammerhead/Barracuda is same pump, choice of impellers)....which uses quite a bit less wattage than the Hammerhead impeller. (>350w vs <250w)

The Hammerhead impeller would have been delivering around 4000 gph and that's the main thing that makes me doubt that's what was running.

The Barracuda impeller would have been right around your flow rate tho....closer to 2000 gph @ 14'.

If there was no flow restriction on it and the pump (as Barracuda) was able to push water "full bore 2000 gph" into your tank, then it would have been pretty close to its rated power usage which is 235 watts. If flow *was restricted* due to plumbing or other factors, actual wattage could have been somewhat lower as well. (Maybe not 62 watts low!! ...but it would have been interesting to see the killawatt on it.)

I like that the new pump is so much quieter in your fish room....noise is definitely a consideration for me as well! The Mag 36 I mentioned is just a big, brutish Sherman Tank of a pump...which is what I love about it...but I don't like to listen to it run in my space, where this one happens to be. ;) Guessing its noise is probably on par with the Hammerhead motor. I have some various plans to remedy this, probably with a different solution just need time to get around to it.

 

[me & my baby]

Well if your still not sure about the jebao pump it’s working better then I expected.

That's good to hear!

How do you like the KillAwatt? I found a crapload of uses for mine after I got it.....and it finally died last year.....had it monitoring a Mag 36 when it gave up the ghost (no drama; it left the pump running).

14ft at 5 gallons took 17 seconds to fill the bucket so at 52 percent and 62 watts I am getting 1059 GPH and I still have a lot more I could turn it up . I am happy with that . The noise from the pump in my fish room is a lot quieter then my hammer head and upstairs at the stand I hear nothing where before I could hear the humming of the hammer head . I am happy .

The flow you're getting now makes me wonder if you may have had the Barracuda impeller in your old pump (Hammerhead/Barracuda is same pump, choice of impellers)....which uses quite a bit less wattage than the Hammerhead impeller. (>350w vs <250w)

The Hammerhead impeller would have been delivering around 4000 gph and that's the main thing that makes me doubt that's what was running.

The Barracuda impeller would have been right around your flow rate tho....closer to 2000 gph @ 14'.

If there was no flow restriction on it and the pump (as Barracuda) was able to push water "full bore 2000 gph" into your tank, then it would have been pretty close to its rated power usage which is 235 watts. If flow *was restricted* due to plumbing or other factors, actual wattage could have been somewhat lower as well. (Maybe not 62 watts low!! ...but it would have been interesting to see the killawatt on it.)

I like that the new pump is so much quieter in your fish room....noise is definitely a consideration for me as well! The Mag 36 I mentioned is just a big, brutish Sherman Tank of a pump...which is what I love about it...but I don't like to listen to it run in my space, where this one happens to be. ;) Guessing its noise is probably on par with the Hammerhead motor. I have some various plans to remedy this, probably with a different solution just need time to get around to it.

I am sure that the impeller is a Hammer head . For one when I purchased these pumps the hybrids wasn’t a things and , two it’s writttn on both pumps HH in black sharpie. And third Ike I said earlier that since I was not using this in my old 300 I had to use a ball valve to reduce the flow . The noise ended up being my fault . The way I had it positioned in the sump. The pvc coming of the front was hitting the glass baffle . I moved the pump alittle bit and the noise went away . So now all you can hear is the water coming into the sump
From the 2 inch drain line . I haven’t gotten the kilowatt meter yet it’s supposed to be here on the 29th

 

[mcarroll]

I am sure that the impeller is a Hammer head . For one when I purchased these pumps the hybrids wasn’t a things and , two it’s writttn on both pumps HH in black sharpie. And third Ike I said earlier that since I was not using this in my old 300 I had to use a ball valve to reduce the flow . The noise ended up being my fault . The way I had it positioned in the sump. The pvc coming of the front was hitting the glass baffle . I moved the pump alittle bit and the noise went away . So now all you can hear is the water coming into the sump
From the 2 inch drain line . I haven’t gotten the kilowatt meter yet it’s supposed to be here on the 29th

Holy cow...the HH must've been ball-valved back to like 20% or something.

You're saying thee was some noise from the new pump but you got it quieted down? Cool!

 

[me & my baby]

I am sure that the impeller is a Hammer head . For one when I purchased these pumps the hybrids wasn’t a things and , two it’s writttn on both pumps HH in black sharpie. And third Ike I said earlier that since I was not using this in my old 300 I had to use a ball valve to reduce the flow . The noise ended up being my fault . The way I had it positioned in the sump. The pvc coming of the front was hitting the glass baffle . I moved the pump alittle bit and the noise went away . So now all you can hear is the water coming into the sump
From the 2 inch drain line . I haven’t gotten the kilowatt meter yet it’s supposed to be here on the 29th

Holy cow...the HH must've been ball-valved back to like 20% or something.

You're saying thee was some noise from the new pump but you got it quieted down? Cool!

That is why I said I really didn’t need it anymore . My run is a lot shorter than what it was when I had my 300 . The. Valve was about 1/2 way closed . Just like this pump I am running it about half and it’s moving plenty of water . Now that I got it fixed it is running pretty much dead silent .

 

[SirSaltyNutz]

Thanks for post this. I am getting back into reefing after about 5 years. I run a Reeflo Barracuda pump for a many years. My sump is in the basement and I once though I need this huge turnover. Well researching flow pumps like gyre and came to the conclusion I can reduce this need. Plus, really like the idea of reducing the electrical demand the Reeflo pumps need, and you clearly explained the seal replacement. I do have a question, did compare jebao dcp vs mdp models.

 

[me & my baby]

Thanks for post this. I am getting back into reefing after about 5 years. I run a Reeflo Barracuda pump for a many years. My sump is in the basement and I once though I need this huge turnover. Well researching flow pumps like gyre and came to the conclusion I can reduce this need. Plus, really like the idea of reducing the electrical demand the Reeflo pumps need, and you clearly explained the seal replacement. I do have a question, did compare jebao dcp vs mdp models.

No I didn’t compare the mdp . I wasn’t to interested in one with the WiFi function just because to me that was one aspect of failure. Just pay attention to the max head height and don’t exceed it and you can also get one with more then what you need and just run it at a lower speed .I will say I wish I would have swapped over sooner .

 

[me & my baby]

I am sure that the impeller is a Hammer head . For one when I purchased these pumps the hybrids wasn’t a things and , two it’s writttn on both pumps HH in black sharpie. And third Ike I said earlier that since I was not using this in my old 300 I had to use a ball valve to reduce the flow . The noise ended up being my fault . The way I had it positioned in the sump. The pvc coming of the front was hitting the glass baffle . I moved the pump alittle bit and the noise went away . So now all you can hear is the water coming into the sump
From the 2 inch drain line . I haven’t gotten the kilowatt meter yet it’s supposed to be here on the 29th

Holy cow...the HH must've been ball-valved back to like 20% or something.

You're saying thee was some noise from the new pump but you got it quieted down? Cool!

Just to let you know I have had zero issues with the pump easing my water temp .