@me & my baby this is the kind of installation modification I was suggesting might help in the future. Not knowing what your install is like I don't know exactly what YOU would do, but this is a good idea I've seen in more than one Hammerhead deployment. (You need a check valve and/or a priming basket to make it work.)
I have to disagree with you , do a Google search or even do a search on here for ecotech pump failure or even the there mp pump failure and tell me what you come up with . More came up in Google then there was for Jebao . Look at the issues with there MP pumps , they use cheap bearings that fail but that makes you have to buy a new wetside . If we really wanted to get technical if we could actually get the data from both companies I am sure there have been a lot more Jebao pumps sold then ecotech just because more people can afford to get them and a spare instead of just buying one of THE NAME brands . So think of this Ecotech sells 10k units and has 200 fail but Jebao sells 30k units and 600 fail it still the same percentage just seems more because more units where sold . Im sorry but all the dc pumps in the market except for the red dragon or the abyss I am not sure where they are made but they come from mostly the same factory And most of the name brand prices is just the name that you’re paying for . As far as you wonder if Ecotech put them self in the same category as Jebao it doesn’t matter to me what they think of themselves . I have used there product in the past and I am able to make up my own mind what category I put them in since it my money. There is nothing special about them .
Check valve only works for the flow going to the tank , but when you have 75 gallon in the sump and all that leaks out then you have 40 gallons of auto top off that goes to keep up . So that’s 110 gallons of water that can come out . I always kept 250 gallons of RO water on hand a plus keeping 100 gallons of salt water on had at all times . So
I actually did that after my last post.
Don't get me started on that. I was in retail when those came out. CRAZY failure rate. It's gotten a lot better (how could it not???), but I still wonder if they are up to the durability/reliability of some other brands I could name.
Well, what has historically happened in the pump space is that some "brand" comes along – there have been, and still are *many* – and in true Chinese factory fashion, adopts product molds that another pump uses, has cheaper windings put in, skimps on solder and the case filler (who cares, it's only a Type II motor!) and uses cheaply-made impellers....all of which add up to a higher rate of premature failure in some fashion....but also adds up to a cheaper price, sometimes MUCH cheaper like 50% of the cost. So it's a viable product for some people for some things. Yay capitalism, right?
It sounds like you feel like someone is trying to change your mind. That's too bad...
Didn't see this before...and I'm with you at this point.
When I was suggesting you do a google search I was referring to ecotech versus not reeflo . My reasoning for not going back to reeflo was do to my own personal experience with the pumps . And I you where referring to using subpar parts on pumps I can direct you back to the bearing that echotech used in there Mp pumps that people where paying 3-500 for . I understand these company want to maximize profits but when a big name knows there is an issue and takes for ever to change it but has no problem charging you for replacement parts with the same parts That failed the first time I have an issue with that . I’ve my 30 plus years in this hobby I have had expensive product fail and I have had cheap products that have surpassed my expectations. I am just open to try new things . When on of my pumps went out in my bubble king skimmer . It cost me almost as much as a new skimmer from a different company to replace . Say I buy 4 of the jebao 20000 at 225 each so 900 and I only get 5 years out of each that’s 20years . I buy 2 hammerheads for say 500 on the very low end that’s a 1000 and I get 20years out of them . Now take into the account I have to replace seals just say every 2 years that’s 360.00 so 720. For two pumps changing out the seals every 2 years . So now you’re at the pumps costing you 1720 . So at that price I could buy almost 8 of the 20000 pumps . That doesn’t count for the extra electricity. The hammerheaad as I remember was running 325 watts and even if the jebao runs anything below that , then that is saving me . As far as extra heat in the tank that would save me on running my 1,000 watt heater . I am never worried about it getting to hot since with my wife’s health condition we keep the house in the low 60s year round . Now as far as the little giant pumps , blue line and the iwaski I honestly never put them into thought since I haven’t used any of them since I quit running my old downdraft or Beckett skimmers ."...pump flood"
"...pump failure"
First page of Google results from the search I did then the one you asked for, for what it's worth.
I am using 1 1/2 up to about 8 inches below the tank then It drops down to 1in I also have 4 1 1/2 45s . I am very surprised of the flow I am getting .
Well if your still not sure about the jebao pump it’s working better then I expected.
That's good to hear!
The flow you're getting now makes me wonder if you may have had the Barracuda impeller in your old pump (Hammerhead/Barracuda is same pump, choice of impellers)....which uses quite a bit less wattage than the Hammerhead impeller. (>350w vs <250w)
I am sure that the impeller is a Hammer head . For one when I purchased these pumps the hybrids wasn’t a things and , two it’s writttn on both pumps HH in black sharpie. And third Ike I said earlier that since I was not using this in my old 300 I had to use a ball valve to reduce the flow . The noise ended up being my fault . The way I had it positioned in the sump. The pvc coming of the front was hitting the glass baffle . I moved the pump alittle bit and the noise went away . So now all you can hear is the water coming into the sumpThat's good to hear!
How do you like the KillAwatt? I found a crapload of uses for mine after I got it.....and it finally died last year.....had it monitoring a Mag 36 when it gave up the ghost (no drama; it left the pump running).
The flow you're getting now makes me wonder if you may have had the Barracuda impeller in your old pump (Hammerhead/Barracuda is same pump, choice of impellers)....which uses quite a bit less wattage than the Hammerhead impeller. (>350w vs <250w)
The Hammerhead impeller would have been delivering around 4000 gph and that's the main thing that makes me doubt that's what was running.
The Barracuda impeller would have been right around your flow rate tho....closer to 2000 gph @ 14'.
If there was no flow restriction on it and the pump (as Barracuda) was able to push water "full bore 2000 gph" into your tank, then it would have been pretty close to its rated power usage which is 235 watts. If flow *was restricted* due to plumbing or other factors, actual wattage could have been somewhat lower as well. (Maybe not 62 watts low!! ...but it would have been interesting to see the killawatt on it.)
I like that the new pump is so much quieter in your fish room....noise is definitely a consideration for me as well! The Mag 36 I mentioned is just a big, brutish Sherman Tank of a pump...which is what I love about it...but I don't like to listen to it run in my space, where this one happens to be. ;) Guessing its noise is probably on par with the Hammerhead motor. I have some various plans to remedy this, probably with a different solution just need time to get around to it.
That is why I said I really didn’t need it anymore . My run is a lot shorter than what it was when I had my 300 . The. Valve was about 1/2 way closed . Just like this pump I am running it about half and it’s moving plenty of water . Now that I got it fixed it is running pretty much dead silent .
No I didn’t compare the mdp . I wasn’t to interested in one with the WiFi function just because to me that was one aspect of failure. Just pay attention to the max head height and don’t exceed it and you can also get one with more then what you need and just run it at a lower speed .I will say I wish I would have swapped over sooner .
Just to let you know I have had zero issues with the pump easing my water temp .
