Kessil 360x Owners - Please share your 6 month review!

vetteguy53081 · Jun 21, 2019

I currently have Ap 700s but have noticed a good number of 360x for sale used already and curious as to why

Hemmdog · Jun 21, 2019

I had 2 we’s And 48 hybrid over my 90.

5 months ago

Upgraded to 360x’s after messing with the controller on my frag tank. The spectrum options and colors you can make are amazing. Pictures don’t do it justice. Growth and color are amazing in corals as well.

Took these pics last night

I run my hybrid 11 inches off the water. 2 blue + 2 coral +. 2 360x peak at 80% intensity, 20% color, 80% uv, 15% Red, 8% green. Sunrise and sunset same spectrum just the “color” ramps from 0 to 20 then back down.

User1 · Jun 21, 2019

vetteguy53081 said:
I currently have Ap 700s but have noticed a good number of 360x for sale used already and curious as to why

No idea. My guess is some are from those that bought them upon initial release then decided it wasn't what they wanted. Not really sure to be honest. Kessil has been at this for a while and there are a lot of W's deployed with happy people. I'm not sure there is enough of a gain for say a current user of W's to upgrade this round compared to say someone switching to or buying Kessil's for the first time.

If there was any drawback I would say it is the entry price per unit. Lighting isn't cheap in this hobby if you are buying ecoteck or kessil products and when you add multiple units, connectivity, mounting, and whatever else is needed the price almost equals the cost of the tank... Other options for sure but 400 - 450 a pop is going to be a non starter for many I think.

lbacha · Jun 21, 2019

I will also add that the UV and the color control makes it so the 360x can be dialed in to many different colors unlike the older models tht just followed the kessil logic curve.

Having said this if you are running a kessil by itself then the 360x is ideal since you can control the colors. If you are supplementing it with t5’s or a similar led product like the new orphek OR bars then there is no reason that the old kessils wouldn’t do a fine job providing the majority of the white and blue light along with the kessil shimmer with the supplementation covering UV and other colors.

Len

Doostur · Jun 21, 2019

Looky what I got here. 360we, 360x, 360x narrow reflector. Seneye par meter. The truth is coming ...TGIF.

mfl74 · Jun 21, 2019

Just starting but I’ll chime in in a couple months.

mfl74 · Jun 21, 2019

Just starting but I’ll chime in in a couple months.

mfl74 · Jun 21, 2019

Just starting but I’ll chime in in a couple months.

User1 · Jun 21, 2019

Doostur said:
Looky what I got here. 360we, 360x, 360x narrow reflector. Seneye par meter. The truth is coming ...TGIF.

If you don't mind let me know how the reflector works. I've been eyeing these due to my tank being 30" deep.

jurgenph · Jun 21, 2019

anyone run one of these on a nano? 10 gallon cube, or similar size?
how close to the surface would they need to be to avoid too much spillover?
overkill? and just go 160?

J.

GThompson · Jun 21, 2019

saf1 said:
No idea. My guess is some are from those that bought them upon initial release then decided it wasn't what they wanted. Not really sure to be honest. Kessil has been at this for a while and there are a lot of W's deployed with happy people. I'm not sure there is enough of a gain for say a current user of W's to upgrade this round compared to say someone switching to or buying Kessil's for the first time.

If there was any drawback I would say it is the entry price per unit. Lighting isn't cheap in this hobby if you are buying ecoteck or kessil products and when you add multiple units, connectivity, mounting, and whatever else is needed the price almost equals the cost of the tank... Other options for sure but 400 - 450 a pop is going to be a non starter for many I think.

I agree. The price is up there when you get the k links and mounts, controller and lights. $1800 for three lights. I hope they work out like they should

Doostur · Jun 22, 2019

Finally have some time to take some measurements. Again I will be using the seneye. I'll provide results in par, luv, and pur.

I am going to mount the lights 8 inches above the water.

I'll take readings just under the water line, and 6 inches below the water line.

For fair a comparison, neither 360we or 360x will be hooked up to a controller. I'll simply set the knobs manually to 50% color and 50% intensity. I'll repeat the readings with 50% color and 100% intensity.

Then I'll repeat all the above with the 360x and narrow reflector installed.

Does everyone agree with this? Anything else they want to see?

lbacha · Jun 22, 2019

Doostur said:
Finally have some time to take some measurements. Again I will be using the seneye. I'll provide results in par, luv, and pur.

I am going to mount the lights 8 inches above the water.

I'll take readings just under the water line, and 6 inches below the water line.

For fair a comparison, neither 360we or 360x will be hooked up to a controller. I'll simply set the knobs manually to 50% color and 50% intensity. I'll repeat the readings with 50% color and 100% intensity.

Then I'll repeat all the above with the 360x and narrow reflector installed.

Does everyone agree with this? Anything else they want to see?

Without the controller I’m not sure if the 360x uses the UV channel. The UV leds are pretty powerful so you will be losing a lot of the 460x’s potential if they aren’t on in your test

Doostur · Jun 22, 2019

lbacha said:
Without the controller I’m not sure if the 360x uses the UV channel. The UV leds are pretty powerful so you will be losing a lot of the 460x’s potential if they aren’t on in your test

What do you suggest? 360x at 50% on all channels then 100% on a channels? Wouldnt that be the same as manually adjusting to 50% color on the knob?

minus9 · Jun 22, 2019

Actually the color knob is the same on both versions, but the new controller unlocks the other features only found on the AP700 for the 360x. The controller gives you sliders for green, red and violet.
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/video/view/going-beyond-the-bullet-points-of-the-kessil-a360x/

User1 · Jun 22, 2019

Correct. The only way to get the other color channels is to have the controller. Otherwise all you have is the intensity and the color. It is as @lbacha pointed out.

If you have the reflectors that would be a nice test. 6 to 8" above water is the ideal placement or so most of the feedback I've seen suggest along with BRS. Other than that it is really up to the user on how they want to try and measure. The seneye is a good little unit. The key with it of course is just being consistent in how you are holding it be it hand or stick and when measuring the same location if you increase power or change color.

Hemmdog · Jun 22, 2019

You need the controller to even see half the potential the 360x has. Try my light settings I posted. It’s similar to saxby settings. My wife and I have been referring to them as DiscoTek spectrum lol. It won’t max out the par on the 360x’s but it’s a very high par sps spectrum that will make your Corals fluoresce like crazy. Give it a shot, tell me what you think. Peak viewing time is ramp down when it’s about 15% intensity. But it looks great all the time.

User1 · Jun 22, 2019

Hemmdog said:
You need the controller to even see half the potential the 360x has. Try my light settings I posted. It’s similar to saxby settings.

This was your settings above, right?

2 360x peak at 80% intensity, 20% color, 80% uv, 15% Red, 8% green. Sunrise and sunset same spectrum just the “color” ramps from 0 to 20 then back down.

So you are setting intensity to 80%?

20% color
80% UV
15% Red
8% Green

I've never set my UV that high with the rest so low. I'll have to demo that and see what it looks like.