Lighting question? AI Blade

No need for me, thanks. I’m confident the setup I’m considering has adequate par. I’m also considering similar lights from GHL and the ATI Straton pro.
I'm leaning Straton as well because European lights seem to be whiter than the deep blue preferred in the states. At least that's what my research has shown. There's a YouTuber from Europe and predominantly those tanks tend to be whiter and recall them making that comment and specifically to Straton.
 
I think I’m going to start with two grow and add a glow if I want more color. The tank is not wide and shallow. I might just be happy with the grows. Looks like most like the grows more and the glows are to much blue.
 
Aren't the Grows more like Radion Pro and Glow like Radion Blue?
 
I think I’m going to start with two grow and add a glow if I want more color. The tank is not wide and shallow. I might just be happy with the grows. Looks like most like the grows more and the glows are to much blue.
1:1 Its way too much blue. 2:1 is doable. plenty of blue in the grows just no uv. So you miss a little pop from that.
 
I want the light to look like a shallow water spectrum, not a deep ocean setting. I’ll turn down the red bump it has a bit with the app. The glow is to provide the uv. :)
I went with a freshwater and a glow on my shallow tank. When you mount the lights, you may want the ability to adjust the angle of the glow so there is no blue/purple line across the tank. And not that you mentioned the warm LEDs, but FYI the red and warm LEDs on the freshwater are on the same control dial in the app so they must be turned on and off together. I give the tank 100% of this red channel for 2 hours in the morning in case it can be useful for some organisms, and then I turn it then low enough to the point where I don’t notice any change in color.

Can you share why adding the UV is important to you? I include the UV and assume it’s beneficial for something, but I’m not sure what.
 
If the question is do you need two or three, maybe start with two and see if you prefer to add a third?
I agree with this, the height of the tank is on the lower side and it’s not very wide so I think you’ll find that 2 is plenty as the blades are not short on par.
 
I went with a freshwater and a glow on my shallow tank. When you mount the lights, you may want the ability to adjust the angle of the glow so there is no blue/purple line across the tank. And not that you mentioned the warm LEDs, but FYI the red and warm LEDs on the freshwater are on the same control dial in the app so they must be turned on and off together. I give the tank 100% of this red channel for 2 hours in the morning in case it can be useful for some organisms, and then I turn it then low enough to the point where I don’t notice any change in color.

Can you share why adding the UV is important to you? I include the UV and assume it’s beneficial for something, but I’m not sure what.

Really? There are only 4 leds on that light. You have to control the red and warm together? That's a poor design. I thought one could control each color independently. What about the other two? Is that using the myAI app?

When you say a blue purple line, are you suggesting the spread is not sufficient to span the bottom? In my case, the bottom will be more than 28” away from the light. The claimed 95 degree spread should hit the whole bottom. Or do you mean a more blue strip down the middle under it?

The uv may impact formation of pigments to protect from natural uv levels , but most clearly, can drive fluorescence from organisms. I realize it will be harder to see with so much white light, but I’m aiming for a natural look regardless.
 
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Really? There are only 4 leds on that light. You have to control the red and warm together? That's a poor design. I thought one could control each color independently. What about the other two? Is that using the myAI app?

When you say a blue purple line, are you suggesting the spread is not sufficient to span the bottom? In my case, the bottom will be more than 28” away from the light. The claimed 95 degree spread should hit the whole bottom. Or do you mean a more blue strip down the middle under it?

The uv may impact formation of pigments to protect from natural uv levels , but most clearly, can drive fluorescence from organisms. I realize it will be harder to see with so much white light, but I’m aiming for a natural look regardless.
Yes, you only get “Red Balance”, “Blue Balance” and “Cool White” toggles with the Freshwater. I agree it’s a little frustrating, but I guess they didn’t want it too cluttered. This is on both the myAI app and the Mobius app (unless they changed the myAI app in the last 10 months).

I was referring to spread; seems like you should be good 28” from the light.

For the Glow, you get “UV” (3 415nm and 3 405nm LEDs, I think), “Violet” (6 430nm LEDs), and “Royal Blue” (12 LEDs) toggles. I’ve played around with it a bit and have noticed the Royal Blue seems to provide the most fluorescence by far. I think the UV and Violet do add a bit of extra pop, but it’s hard to tell so far with my few and small corals. If the lack of separate controls for the warm LEDs is annoying, you might consider swapping a freshwater or 2 for the Grows. You get 6 of the blue LEDs, which I think are quite nice during the daytime and I wish I had more than the 2 that come on the freshwater. You also get additional fluorescence with the 12 royal blues. It might also depend whether you are going to run the same settings all day, or if you like a couple hours of a popping tank at night with mostly blues/UV.

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I have a RedSea 525 which is 59” wide. I started with two AI Blade Grow then added a Glow. Sometimes I wish I got a third Grow instead but that is because I like the white and blue spectrums from the Grow more then the purple from the Glows. If I was starting a new tank now and had to get a light with no fans I would wait for more reviews of the ATI Straton Pro.
 
Yes, you only get “Red Balance”, “Blue Balance” and “Cool White” toggles with the Freshwater. I agree it’s a little frustrating, but I guess they didn’t want it too cluttered. This is on both the myAI app and the Mobius app (unless they changed the myAI app in the last 10 months).

I was referring to spread; seems like you should be good 28” from the light.

For the Glow, you get “UV” (3 415nm and 3 405nm LEDs, I think), “Violet” (6 430nm LEDs), and “Royal Blue” (12 LEDs) toggles. I’ve played around with it a bit and have noticed the Royal Blue seems to provide the most fluorescence by far. I think the UV and Violet do add a bit of extra pop, but it’s hard to tell so far with my few and small corals. If the lack of separate controls for the warm LEDs is annoying, you might consider swapping a freshwater or 2 for the Grows. You get 6 of the blue LEDs, which I think are quite nice during the daytime and I wish I had more than the 2 that come on the freshwater. You also get additional fluorescence with the 12 royal blues. It might also depend whether you are going to run the same settings all day, or if you like a couple hours of a popping tank at night with mostly blues/UV.

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Thanks very much! That's useful.

As an aside, taricha reposted a graph from an old Advanced Aquarist article that shows excitation vs emission wavelengths for many marine fluorescent proteins here:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/coral-coloration-trace-element-experiment.1081468/post-13314732
I also think simple UV protection molecules (nonfluorescent) can potentially cause significant color changes in organisms (corals, sea anemones, etc.). Rather like a person getting a sun tan.

Whether any of these effects will be readily seen in strong white light is a different question. But that's where I want to go. :)
 
I had 2 grow and a glow over my 20 Nuvo tank.
I got rid of the glow and I will say I saw little difference in color. I dont even think they are needed and do so little. with your size tank I think you would need to start with a min of 2 Grow and probably will need a 3rd
 
Light question for those who know or own AI BLADE strips. I’m trying to find lights with no fans. The Blades seem like a good option. So far what I’ve been reading is the par can handle LPS and SPS. My tank is 70 long 16 inches high and 18 inches wide. I was think about getting one grow and one glow. Is that enough light or do i need three? Two glow and one grow of a different combo. I suffer from migraines  and the fans on my Nicrews are bothering me plus the tank is in my livingroom. thanks for the help.
Wanna sell the hyper reefs??
 

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