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My friend had a lock pick set. Not all locks are equal.
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My friend had a lock pick set. Not all locks are equal.
michaelrc51
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They cure this but create lots of security issues. These newer "home" locks with keypads are junk and to make installation easier, they use parts that are made with cheap materials and can easily be forced open.
I could sell you something that would give you keypad flexibility but be more secure but that would probably be cost prohibitive.
Sorry if these seem like rants. Just trying to add some facts to the discussion from a security technician.
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Yes, there are locks that can't be picked. See Medeco for the best example. They also have other security measure constructed into them and are built of very high grade materials in the areas that contribute to strength and security.
But, even if it can be picked it isn't likely that someone with no experience can pick up a pick set and be given a lesson and then pick something open. Therein a bit more to it. Even myself, who has been a nationally licensed Locksmith for 20 years, can't say I can pick open any lock. There are a lot of factors involved. For one, just the pinning depths make a difference in how easy it is to pick it. It has a lot do with practice and how often you do it. I rarely pick open anything other than locks to panels at this point so picking open normal cylinders isn't the same. It requires feel and practice and even with a lot of it it isn't always possible.
This isn't something you can watch on YouTube and start having success at. It takes practice, skill, and knowledge. And that is why a Locksmith will charge you $100 to come open your door.
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I have one of those keypads and totally agree. They are convenient, but don't think your home is ever secure from a determined intruder. The vast majority of our stuff keeps curious mischief away and that's about it. A bit of background in forcible entry and physical security taught me just how quickly and easily i can gain entry to pretty much any building.
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I won't get into it to much but the construction methods used to install your door, frame, hinges and deadbolt lock impact the amount of force someone will need to force their way through a door. The last piece is the lock. Using a home depot Schlage or Kwickset lock would make the lock a vulnerability. They make them versatile so people can install them but in doing so they make the parts weaker and then they use crappy materials to keep the costs down.
I could install stuff and make it dang near impossible to get into to but it would cost a lot.
I have been called out to some locations that the cops couldn't get into before.
And there are always other point of entry.
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I mean even if the lock worked someone can still just break the window.
On my car I had all 4 of my tires slashed and all my windows busted except one. Happened in under 30 seconds and non of the neighbors were any help. Next day the home power went out at like 2am... !!!! I honestly thought it was a home invasion. (Turned out a car hit a telephone pole). It's crazy. Life is fragile. I just remember the book of Job where Satan tells God I can't touch him because he has a hedge.
P.s. We think our cars were hit because our neighbor had an arguement with another neighbor on the next street over. My car looked like theirs so we think it was a misidentification. All this happened past midnight.
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Yeah, there are other points of entry.
My suggestion to anyone is do what they can. Personally, I have seen the worst case scenarios lots of times. I would suggest to have a knowledgeable person instal your locks and doors if possible. This with an alarm system and a video surveillance system is about all you can do. If you make it worse for the common thieves I can guaranty that they will move on to an easier target. Then there are high end thieves who will bypass just about anything to get what they want. If you have something valuable enough they will get it but with proper security measures the odds will be in your favor.
And please, don't think that Sentry security box adds any kind of security. Get a real safe.
My suggestion to anyone is do what they can. Personally, I have seen the worst case scenarios lots of times. I would suggest to have a knowledgeable person instal your locks and doors if possible. This with an alarm system and a video surveillance system is about all you can do. If you make it worse for the common thieves I can guaranty that they will move on to an easier target. Then there are high end thieves who will bypass just about anything to get what they want. If you have something valuable enough they will get it but with proper security measures the odds will be in your favor.
And please, don't think that Sentry security box adds any kind of security. Get a real safe.
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Locksmith here ! And I couldn't agree more. Most of the electronic locks that are on the market today are absolute cra ! The only one that I have seen that is worth what it's priced at is the august smart lock, and that's because it is only an attachment to add to an existing deadbolt. So set yourself up with a schlage B660 or B560 and throw this baby on and your golden.
It amazes me at how many houses I do service calls on and the security strikes for the deadbolts are non existent because the homeowner decided to install their own deadbolts. Like really all that's stopping someone from booting your door is the 1/4 inch trim on the frame of your door. SMH
It amazes me at how many houses I do service calls on and the security strikes for the deadbolts are non existent because the homeowner decided to install their own deadbolts. Like really all that's stopping someone from booting your door is the 1/4 inch trim on the frame of your door. SMH
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