My Current QT Process

[iansu1075]

At this point I am watching very closely for external symptoms of bacterial infections. If one arises or a fish prone to infection stops eating then I dose Spectogram (Kanamycin+Nitrofurazone) and continue throughout copper. You can also use Kanaplex+furan-2. The WCs are fun maintaining the therapeutic Cu level. But once you have the hang of it, it's not bad. Copper has to be pre-dosed into new SW prior to adding to tank to keep Cu level from dropping below therapeutic.

when using copper power and kannaplex +furan 2. Since Furan 2 will change the tank water to yellow Tint. Will you still get an accurate reading on the Hanna checker?

thanks

 

[HotRocks]

when using copper power and kannaplex +furan 2. Since Furan 2 will change the tank water to yellow Tint. Will you still get an accurate reading on the Hanna checker?

thanks

Yes it works just fine since the tester takes a baseline reading. I checked it several times by testing before first dose of furan 2 and then after. Test was always within the .05ppm variance of the tester.

 

[iansu1075]

Yes it works just fine since the tester takes a baseline reading. I checked it several times by testing before first dose of furan 2 and then after. Test was always within the .05ppm variance of the tester.

Thanks. Is it a normal routine to dose furan and kannaplex when in copper or only when an infection is present?

 

[HotRocks]

Thanks. Is it a normal routine to dose furan and kannaplex when in copper or only when an infection is present?

I would not recommend the prophylactic use of antibiotics. It can cause resistance issues. So I would only use them if a bacterial infection is present. I have used only a single dose of spectrogram to help clear a tank of bacterial bloom but I never use antibiotics unless an active bacterial infection is present.

 

[iansu1075]

I would not recommend the prophylactic use of antibiotics. It can cause resistance issues. So I would only use them if a bacterial infection is present. I have used only a single dose of spectrogram to help clear a tank of bacterial bloom but I never use antibiotics unless an active bacterial infection is present.

ok. Thanks

 

[Feet4Fish]

Same methodology we use in people. Not following your thought process in the 90’s is how we got MRSA from being a hospital acquires pathogen tina community acquired pathogen and why today we have even more virulent strains of many bacteria!

I would not recommend the prophylactic use of antibiotics. It can cause resistance issues. So I would only use them if a bacterial infection is present. I have used only a single dose of spectrogram to help clear a tank of bacterial bloom but I never use antibiotics unless an active bacterial infection is present.

 

[BST96]

@HotRocks Thank you so much for sharing this info! I tried the dump and pray method and unfortunately paid for it. Now I understand the importance of a QT.

I apologize if this question has been answered ...

When using the single tank method I understand too keep the fish in copper for 30 days total. Can you proceed with step 2 at the 14 day mark still? Meaning dosing GC or Prazi into the copper? Or is it best to start that after 30 days and a 100% WC. I guess I am trying to get the QT time down to that 4/5 week range as opposed to longer.

Thanks-Ben

 

[HotRocks]

Hey no problem!

I would still wait to dose prazi until copper is removed unless you have an emergency situation like a heavy fluke infestation. The combination of prazi + copper is risky IMO.

 

[BST96]

Hey no problem!

I would still wait to dose prazi until copper is removed unless you have an emergency situation like a heavy fluke infestation. The combination of prazi + copper is risky IMO.

Got thank you for the quick response!

 

[ChelseaBidwell]

Just wanted to say we have been following this process and our success rate is extremely high! thanks for posting this

 

[TK_KW]

Morning @HotRocks, @4FordFamily
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@Humblefish

Quick question. I have one purple fire fish I just noticed has one of its gills, a little red compared to the other. Fish has ran through copper. Two rounds of prazi that were finished up on sep 21. Since then, this batch of fish has been in observation. I was getting ready to transfer into display this am and noticed it. Poop is normal. Had done three weeks of soaked food.

Water quality slipped a little in this tank in this last week. I'm about to do a dip to double check it's not flukes. But of the five fish in the tank. Only this one firefish is showing red gill.

Edit: dip turned up nothing.
Edit: #reefsquad
Edit:need guidance. Either I'm trasfering or adding next batch together with these guys. Need to pull fish out of copper

 

[Humblefish]

@TK_KW Was the fish recently exposed to ammonia? A 30 min MB bath, before transferring into your DT, might be a good idea: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/

 

[TK_KW]

@TK_KW Was the fish recently exposed to ammonia? A 30 min MB bath, before transferring into your DT, might be a good idea: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/

Ammonia no, they've been in same tank for 7 weeks now, post copper. And every time I transfer out of copper, i seed the tank. Plus I have two badges that have never read anything in that tank. Was just very odd only one gill.

 

[JaredB]

@HotRocks - thank you very much for all of your contributions and advice. Forgive me if this question has already been answered. I am acquiring my first copperband butterfly. I already follow your qt protocol and have done so successfully with other fish. Would you modify anything for the cbb? Or proceed as described? Thanks!

 

[HotRocks]

@HotRocks - thank you very much for all of your contributions and advice. Forgive me if this question has already been answered. I am acquiring my first copperband butterfly. I already follow your qt protocol and have done so successfully with other fish. Would you modify anything for the cbb? Or proceed as described? Thanks!

Thank you, I’m glad it has worked for you in the past. I don’t do anything different for a CBB. I would keep NFG in hand as they seem to get bacterial infections about 60% of the time IME. Copper is an immunosuppressant so I’d guess that doesn’t help when it comes to fighting bacteria.

 

[JaredB]

Thank you, I’m glad it has worked for you in the past. I don’t do anything different for a CBB. I would keep NFG in hand as they seem to get bacterial infections about 60% of the time IME. Copper is an immunosuppressant so I’d guess that doesn’t help when it comes to fighting bacteria.

Thank you! I currently have Kanaplex, Metroplex, Furan2 and general cure on hand. Where can I obtain NFG? Would these be adequate?

 

[HotRocks]

Thank you! I currently have Kanaplex, Metroplex, Furan2 and general cure on hand. Where can I obtain NFG? Would these be adequate?

That combination will work just fine generally. Nitrofuracin green has to be purchased from the manufacturer in larger quantities. I have seen it available in smaller quantities that would be more suitable for hobbyist use on eBay.

 

[JaredB]

That combination will work just fine generally. Nitrofuracin green has to be purchased from the manufacturer in larger quantities. I have seen it available in smaller quantities that would be more suitable for hobbyist use on eBay.

I just found 100g repackaged container online at east-coast-rancho for around $30. I hope it's ok. How do you suggest I dose it (if necessary)? THank you!

 

[TK_KW]

Hey @HotRocks,

I you had cupramine drop to .47 for two consecutive days, and then back up above .5, is that concerning?

Or should I restart my days?

 

[TK_KW]

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