Nailed it nay sayers

[rtparty]

Ive read….
You show me a degree in marine biology and then ill take your words for it , until then your extent of knowledge is about as good as mine even though ive just begun ,ive read all the same articles and know what im in for

Reading is good but until you actually experience something, you don’t have a clue how to really handle situations. It’s why so many with degrees are garbage employees and suck at their job. Reading does not equal actual experience and certainly doesn’t equate to knowledge. What good is a doctor if they never practice what they read?

Some of the worst tanks I’ve ever seen and worst advice I’ve seen given has come from those with a marine biology degree.

Coming up on 21 years of doing this and I’ve seen this EXACT situation come and go 100 times. You will either be served humble pie or disappear and never tell us what went wrong

 

[Scott Campbell]

The issue with a new tank is not so much what you are doing or not doing right now. A tank usually needs a significant period of time (several years?) to reach an equilibrium where colonies of organisms (bacteria, algae, sponges, microfauna, etc.) are not rapidly expanding and collapsing because of changing tank conditions. A new tank is basically a void and small organisms fill and exit that void rather randomly and suddenly. It will often take a while to even reach a balance with the larger organisms like snails and urchins and starfish and such. These larger organisms can easily starve to death. Eventually the tank settles into an equilibrium that is a bit unique to that tank. All you can really do is maintain good water quality and feed properly and wait for that balance to happen. Even if you have no "bad organisms", the "good organisms" are still going to be at odds with one another until some balance is achieved.

As everyone else has noted - this is a very long process.

 

[fish_collector]

You show me a degree in marine biology and then ill take your words for it , until then your extent of knowledge is about as good as mine even though ive just begun ,ive read all the same articles and know what im in for

You’ve just kicked me and everyone else in the sack. You can pound sand.

 

[Narideth]

Wow... just. Wow. I can't tell if this is intentional ragebait for everyone trying their best to help or not. Either way, good luck I guess as the goodwill of a dozen well-versed reefers is squandered. Looking forward to updates.

 

[petcellar]

This thread is just trolling..... not sure what the point is.

This is what the ignore button is for on Reef2reef :)

So long,

 

[billyocean]

There are some great reefers in this thread with great advice. No need for a marine biologist here...just because someone can tell me every part in a car or how to build it...doesnt mean they can drive it well. No slight on any marine biologists...but theres a lot of reef tank science that is just catching up to what some of these reefers have known for a long time. Anyhoo...its a journey for all of us...hope you stick with it and have success.

 

[PoseidonsReef]

Ive read sand stars starve due to lack of good and is why i only got one , also plan of hand feeding by placing krill in the sand bed to keep it fed so no b it will not starve.
You show me a degree in marine biology and then ill take your words for it , until then your extent of knowledge is about as good as mine even though ive just begun ,ive read all the same articles and know what im in for

Why are you even posting here? I suppose maybe to share your knowledge since you already know everything needed to be successful in the hobby?
Me I'm still a newb but learning every day and look forward to learning from you because im struggling to get things right.

Seems like your doing pretty good to me , i havent even gotten into corals yet but i can grow anything on gods green earth out of the cracks in the sidewalk maybe im just gifted

 

[PoseidonsReef]

You show me a degree in marine biology and then ill take your words for it , until then your extent of knowledge is about as good as mine even though ive just begun ,ive read all the same articles and know what im in for

You’ve just kicked me and everyone else in the sack. You can pound sand.

youve qll told me i was wrong with everything anclearly ive been right , i dont claim to be an expert at all but gemini sources from them and is getting me through stuff i wouldnt have known how to deal with otherwise

 

[PoseidonsReef]

You show me a degree in marine biology and then ill take your words for it , until then your extent of knowledge is about as good as mine even though ive just begun ,ive read all the same articles and know what im in for

You’ve just kicked me and everyone else in the sack. You can pound sand.

Ill post another in a week when my cyano has been cleared up

 

[Sam7]

Why are you even posting here? I suppose maybe to share your knowledge since you already know everything needed to be successful in the hobby?
Me I'm still a newb but learning every day and look forward to learning from you because im struggling to get things right.

Your tanks are killer

 

[PoseidonsReef]

This thread is just trolling..... not sure what the point is.

This is what the ignore button is for on Reef2reef :)

So long,

Bye

 

[PoseidonsReef]

I understand the black p ut can be rough on corals , luckily im waiting to pass the worst of the uglies before i stock up , that being said diatoms and dinos are the least of my concerns and the easiest so far to get rid of . It cyano thats the trouble maker but im ordering a double powerhead for the low flow side but still going to treat with chemi clean to stop it right away as it can be harmful to the fish when it reaches higher levels like im seeing and its all about the well being of my livestock. There is nothing natural about what happens when running a aquarium most of those pests dont happen in nature and if the do the other organisms are so abundant that you would never notice so in a glass box human intervention is required to pick up the slack.

I guess your comment about nothing natural is concerning. The whole point is to understand and recreate natural to try and avoid chemicals ( which the oceans don't use). The starting stages are natural, we just don't have the ecosystem developed in our glass box yet, but time helps develop it.

As others have said, good start but don't be surprised/discouraged if one or more things come back. If they don't, that's great as well, but the second you change that balance...ie adding ammonia via fish, or removing nutrients via coral, it will attempt to go back into equilibrium.

Cyano doesnt happen in the ocean either theres nothing natural about it , everything i use is sourced naturally except chemi clean and i wont risk the health of my livestock by waiting something out that doesnt go away by doing nothing like diatoms do

 

[Sam7]

Happy holidays.....time for a little break, time for a big hug and give thanks

 

[Johnd651]

Cyano doesnt happen in the ocean either theres nothing natural about it , everything i use is sourced naturally except chemi clean and i wont risk the health of my livestock by waiting something out that doesnt go away by doing nothing like diatoms do

Now I know your just trolling us all. I'll leave this here, and I'm out...

"Small unicellular cyanobacteria (Synechococcus and Prochlorococcus ) are the most abundant photosynthetic microorganisms in the world's oceans,..."

Source
https://www.nature.com/articles/24297

 

[pwfess]

after reading through all this I think this is just rage bait or trolling. The thread starter had his fun.

 

[Malum Argenteum]

You will either be served humble pie or disappear and never tell us what went wrong

I hate to disagree (since I agree with your thoughts on this), but there's a third option: when things go south, either sequentially or collectively, this will be followed by rationalizations, excuses and blame that aim to displace responsibility to everywhere except where it actually belongs.

 

[Rusty_L_Shackleford]

The tank looks very young, so I would assume diatoms, dinoflagellates, cyanos, (and soon green hair algae) are just the expected "ugly phase" and don't need any treatment at all.

Did the tank already go through the ugly phase and these things came back, or why did you decide some form of treatment was necessary?

When im setting up new tanks (I have a bunch) i just assume the ugly phases are inevitable. My usual procedure is to set the tank up with whatever mixture of dry and exlstablished rock im using, and then let it marinate with the lights off while I ghost feed. Then I start the lights off low, and slooowwly ramp then up. Once some algae starts showing up I add some CUC and maybe a couple of fish. Maybe a few easy corals...and then just let it chill. Sure the tank will looks like **** on and off for awhile, but so what? It'll burn itself out as various micro flora and fauna get established and go through the stages to find an equilibrium. My secret ingredient for CUC is keyhole limpets. I have a breeding colony in my main tank, so I add a few to the new tank, and they'll eventually establish themselves, start breeding and mow down the algae.

 

[Reefering1]

youve qll told me i was wrong with everything anclearly ive been right , i dont claim to be an expert at all but gemini sources from them and is getting me through stuff i wouldnt have known how to deal with otherwise

.

 

[Reef Jedi]

I just read through all 4 pages of this. I gotta say op that you’re pretty cocky going into this based on your responses. I don’t think you understand that some of these members here who are giving you advise have hands on experience, trial and error, coaching and real advise. Seeing some of the users who have commented have 20+ years of actual hands on experience including my self.

The point of my post is not to give you any advise since you are relying on AI and by the way Grok is much better. But to help point out that coming to a forum and talking in this manner to experienced reefers may not be the best idea. I use to see these types of conversations on Facebook all the time. You wanna talk this way, do it there. R2R is a prestigious forum with an incredible community who will give real answers with experience backing it.

Good luck on your reefing journey.

P.s. we don’t use AI on R2R…

 

[PoseidonsReef]

I just read through all 4 pages of this. I gotta say op that you’re pretty cocky going into this based on your responses. I don’t think you understand that some of these members here who are giving you advise have hands on experience, trial and error, coaching and real advise. Seeing some of the users who have commented have 20+ years of actual hands on experience including my self. I personally started in 2003 and worked my way though Highschool and college at my LFS.

The point of my post is not to give you any advise since you are relying on AI and by the way Grok is much better. But to help point out that coming to a forum and talking in this manner to experienced reefers may not be the best idea. I use to see these types of conversations on Facebook all the time. You wanna talk this way, do it there. R2R is a prestigious forum with an incredible community who will give real answers with experience backing it.

Good luck on your reefing journey.

P.s. we don’t use AI on R2R…

Well you dont get tobtell me what to do ill talk however i want b to talk to anybody who gives me attitude and for 20 years experienced reefers they sure do not know alot and alot of them still facing the same issues tine and again so if thats the tupe of advise ill be getting i wouldnt take it because obviously its not work8ng and is intentionally killing fish and coral and they shouldnt be in the hobby if thats the case. I use AI and wont pretend to be ashamed of it either , ask the right questions you will get the right answers. People will continue to kill coral and fish listening to bad advice but if they want to keep doing what isnt working then there is no helping them