Nasty case of red cyano and my battle

[Rick.45cal]

FWIW my experience with the KZ cyano cure is pretty much the same as yours. No effect what so ever.

You should PM Freddie, he's got a trick or two up his sleeve

 

[jsker]

My experience is it definitely favors low Nitrate readings and generally if you are carbon dosing it will favor either vinegar or alcohol so if you change up your carbon source it during the process it may just be the 1-2 punch you need.

I think cyano and spirulina occupy such a similar niche that there is almost always both present so when you get one on the run the other quickly takes it's place. We are dealing with some of the original colonizers of earth, these guys are the epitome of resiliant (fortunately for all life on earth)

I think if when some one figures out the exact trigger, that person is going to be happy financially. I agree something is feeding it. I also think that is has been in my system having such a great time, since I feed well that the cyano will not leave easily. Yes I a dosing a synthetic carbon, but not alcohol or vinegar.

 

[jsker]

FWIW my experience with the KZ cyano cure is pretty much the same as yours. No effect what so ever.

You should PM Freddie, he's got a trick or two up his sleeve

@GoVols and I have been having a conversation via PM, and good advice has been given. "dose multiple times" "and go slow"

I was at Reef A Palooza this weekend and the general consensuses was "buy my product and balance out the nutrients in the system because something is feeding it". My plan of attack at this point is nuke the tank until the cyano is gone then. I purchased a real reactor this weekend to run GFO and Carbon to control my nutrients and balance the nutrients. I have also put on line a double active carbon filter and a new RO membrane, the old one was two year old.

 

[Abhishek]

Am following the thread closely as I am currently dealing with the same .
What's the impact of treatment on acros ?
In my case , it's definitely overdose of pro bios and np pro .Have stopped both .
My tank is almost 100% acros and I don't feel confident treating it with chemi clean ..

Regards,
Abhishek

 

[Brew12]

My experience is it definitely favors low Nitrate readings

I found this to be the situation with a cyano outbreak I had.

Tried Vibrent, it only got worse.

And this was the trigger for my outbreak. Vibrant, among other things, will drop Nitrates fairly quickly. I ended up dosing stump remover to get above 5ppm NO3, removed my GFO, and haven't seen cyano since.

 

[jsker]

Am following the thread closely as I am currently dealing with the same .
What's the impact of treatment on acros ?
In my case , it's definitely overdose of pro bios and np pro .Have stopped both .
My tank is almost 100% acros and I don't feel confident treating it with chemi clean ..

Regards,
Abhishek

I felt the same why, up until Last December 2016 when the cyano was choking out my corals. I lost $$ by messing around with different fixes. The liquid Chemi-Clean is less aggressive if you are concerned. As has been suggested take the top off the skimmer to aerate the sump and use a air pump and airstone in the DT

What's the impact of treatment on the acros? No impact at all, with my system. The arco look better.

 

[jsker]

I found this to be the situation with a cyano outbreak I had.



And this was the trigger for my outbreak. Vibrant, among other things, will drop Nitrates fairly quickly. I ended up dosing stump remover to get above 5ppm NO3, removed my GFO, and haven't seen cyano since.

It will be interesting to see a true nutrient reading. I tested the right after a treatment .08 Po4, I was testing .02 before the treatments.

 

[GoVols]

FWIW my experience with the KZ cyano cure is pretty much the same as yours. No effect what so ever.

You should PM Freddie, he's got a trick or two up his sleeve

lol
I PM'd @jsker the how to cook live rock while in display treatment.
It's up to him if he wants to do that cyano treatment.

AF Pro Bio-S with NP Pro got mine going last year. Even though I stopped it the cyano was still there 6 months later and I finally smoked it and a speck has never returned.

I'd say hold the coarse but stop carbon dosing of any kind.

 

[Abhishek]

I found this to be the situation with a cyano outbreak I had.



And this was the trigger for my outbreak. Vibrant, among other things, will drop Nitrates fairly quickly. I ended up dosing stump remover to get above 5ppm NO3, removed my GFO, and haven't seen cyano since.

Hey brew ,

So if I uunderstand correctly, you removed gfo and no carbon dosing so that both your nitrates and phosphates rise .
I stopped gfo and all np pro and pro bio s dosing from yesterday , added extra pumps to increase circulation and manually siphoned a lot of cyano .
My nitrates were at 5 ppm but phosphates read 0 . May be mine is the other way round and only nitrates caused the cyano .

Regards,
Abhishek

 

[Abhishek]

lol
I PM'd @jsker the how to cook live rock while in display treatment.
It's up to him if he wants to do that cyano treatment.

AF Pro Bio-S with NP Pro got mine going last year. Even though I stopped it the cyano was still there 6 months later and I finally smoked it and a speck has never returned.

I'd say hold the coarse but stop carbon dosing of any kind.

How did you finally smoked it ?

Regards,
Abhishek

 

[GoVols]

How did you finally smoked it ?

Regards,
Abhishek

Looks like you don't like Chemiclean and that's 1/2 of the formula.

 

[McMullen]

Am following the thread closely as I am currently dealing with the same .
What's the impact of treatment on acros ?
In my case , it's definitely overdose of pro bios and np pro .Have stopped both .
My tank is almost 100% acros and I don't feel confident treating it with chemi clean ..

Regards,
Abhishek

My tank is also SPS dominant. I've not seen negative effects from chemi clean, multiple doses too.

 

[Abhishek]

My tank is also SPS dominant. I've not seen negative effects from chemi clean, multiple doses too.

And you used the liquid one or the powder form ?Try half dosage ?

Regards,
Abhishek

 

[GoVols]

And you used the liquid one or the powder form ?Try half dosage ?

Regards,
Abhishek

Give me some time and I'll ping the treatment back to your PM.
lol,
I'm at work...

Regards, GoVols

 

[Brew12]

Hey brew ,

So if I uunderstand correctly, you removed gfo and no carbon dosing so that both your nitrates and phosphates rise .
I stopped gfo and all np pro and pro bio s dosing from yesterday , added extra pumps to increase circulation and manually siphoned a lot of cyano .
My nitrates were at 5 ppm but phosphates read 0 . May be mine is the other way round and only nitrates caused the cyano .

Regards,
Abhishek

I think bacteria takes advantage of any unbalance between NO3 and PO4. When they are balanced I get algae. When they are out of balance, I get bacteria.

I have never done carbon dosing (well, I use Vodka but it never seems to make it into the tank ) but yes, I allowed my phosphates and nitrates to both rise. It actually took an amazing amount of stump remover to finally get detectable nitrates but once I did it was easy (maybe too easy since I can't get them under 30ppm now) to keep them up.

I'm not sure I put much faith in the "increase flow" that everyone seems to recommend. My cyano tended to be worse in higher flow sections of my tank.

 

[jsker]

lol
I PM'd @jsker the how to cook live rock while in display treatment.
It's up to him if he wants to do that cyano treatment.

AF Pro Bio-S with NP Pro got mine going last year. Even though I stopped it the cyano was still there 6 months later and I finally smoked it and a speck has never returned.

I'd say hold the coarse but stop carbon dosing of any kind.

Gatcha

 

[McMullen]

And you used the liquid one or the powder form ?Try half dosage ?

Regards,
Abhishek

Powder, no half strength. Half strength is for sissys. I dose liberally!

 

[Abhishek]

Powder, no half strength. Half strength is for sissys. I dose liberally!

Well i like the "sissy" one . My concern is with frags and not colonies .. so wonder if frags will take the treatment well .
Did you have the skimmer overflow and air stone just to increase oxygen in tank ?
Impact on newly obtained sps because am receiving some this weekend .

Regards,
Abhishek

 

[GoVols]

@Abhishek
The treatment will be coming you way, soon.

~ Freddie

 

[McMullen]

Well i like the "sissy" one . My concern is with frags and not colonies .. so wonder if frags will take the treatment well .
Did you have the skimmer overflow and air stone just to increase oxygen in tank ?
Impact on newly obtained sps because am receiving some this weekend .

Regards,
Abhishek

Skimmer as usual, no airstone. Frags are safe.