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[Nemguy123]

No, not all nems are green. who knows why Jr changed colors. I've had it happen for no apparent reason. nems are crazy!

Yes a lot of people get mad about it when they order something like a Colorado sunburst and it turns into a rainbow bubble tip it usually is because of a change in the environment the colors or pigments produced are meant to absorb or reflect certain wave lengths of light all lighting is usually different as are water parameters so changing things can in return cause the zooxan to change their pigments

 

[Nemguy123]

Zooxanthellae itself is brown.

Not all zooxan is brown it can be quite a few colors but the pigments produced are there for a reason.

 

[cromag27]

Yes I have. and vice versa.

Ever have green nems go to red/rose?

 

[Nemguy123]

This is why the dumb names given to some bubble tips and the prices asked are just so ridiculous because it's never guaranteed to stay that color your pretty much paying 400+ for something that can change color at any point in time

 

[cromag27]

No zoox is brown or yellow. they do contain pigment to which give their host certain colors. but the zoox itself is brown or yellow. science, not semantics BTW. :)

Not all zooxan is brown it can be quite a few colors but the pigments produced are there for a reason.

 

[Nemguy123]

No zoox is brown or yellow. they do contain pigment to which give their host certain colors. but the zoox itself is brown or yellow. science, not semantics BTW. :)

They can also be green but where talking about the pigments changing, the zoo produce certain pigments that can give the animal its color. I'm majoring in marine biology focusing on inverts I know a thing or two about zooxan. I've conducted quite a few experiments with my marine science professor and independent at home, I have over 2 thousand gallons of water in my basement where I grow coral and anemones under different conditions as well as study the use of antibiotics on the different inverts.

 

[Nemguy123]

I don't want to sound mean or anything just giving a bit of a background I always like to know a bit of information about the person I'm getting advice or information from there's a lot things that are said on the internet that are [emoji90], lol [emoji23] especially social media

 

[cromag27]

You're not sounding mean but you're not getting what I'm saying. :)

I don't want to sound mean or anything just giving a bit of a background I always like to know a bit of information about the person I'm getting advice or information from there's a lot things that are said on the internet that are [emoji90], lol [emoji23] especially social media

 

[Frosty Latte]

I appreciate both of your advice :) I'm a fuel systems engineer for an OEM and know very little about salt water science but lots about mechanical things. I enjoy trading information and always search out the more scholarly people on here as I trust that advice much more. I'll keep this forum going as I'm wondering what will happen to mine. If all the Zooxan is brown, what causes the green/pinks/red colors in anemones?

Also, if someone has anemone under radion, and I have a kessil, how long until the nem starts to change color and how long until complete change in color? Give me an average or example, not "it depends" please :)

 

[Nemguy123]

I appreciate both of your advice :) I'm a fuel systems engineer for an OEM and know very little about salt water science but lots about mechanical things. I enjoy trading information and always search out the more scholarly people on here as I trust that advice much more. I'll keep this forum going as I'm wondering what will happen to mine. If all the Zooxan is brown, what causes the green/pinks/red colors in anemones?

Also, if someone has anemone under radion, and I have a kessil, how long until the nem starts to change color and how long until complete change in color? Give me an average or example, not "it depends" please :)

Well look at it this way when you see a color you are seeing what wavelengths are being reflected by that surface. for example, if you're looking at a blue object the reason why you see it as blue is because that certain color wavelength is being reflected the most. the bright color you see in plants and in photosynthetic animals are pigments these pigments are used for reflecting and absorbing wavelengths. they do this to optimize photosynthesis and to protect them from wavelengths that might be harmful to them. Pigments take a lot of energy to make and they are constantly being made as pigments do break down on a regular basis. Depending on what pigments the zooxan in the coral are producing determine the color that you see in the coral. Another example of a pigment we will use trees instead of coral. The most common pigment is trees and plants is chlorophyl A this we see as green and all spring and summer long the trees are making this pigment constantly along with a few other different pigments, but we see the green because it is the most abundant pigment in the leaf and it out washes all the other colors they produce. When the the tree stops producing pigments let's say in the fall the chlorophyl A is the first to break down it starts to break down a lot faster than the other pigments, which is why we see the leaves changing colors as the more dominant chlorophyl A diminishes we can see the other pigments. eventually all the pigments break down and the leaf will turn brown and fall off of the tree. I hope this gives you a good understanding of pigments as for your other question I'm sorry but I can't give a definite answers as to how long it takes for the anemone to change color or become it original color:(

 

[Frosty Latte]

Well look at it this way when you see a color you are seeing what wavelengths are being reflected by that surface. for example, if you're looking at a blue object the reason why you see it as blue is because that certain color wavelength is being reflected the most. the bright color you see in plants and in photosynthetic animals are pigments these pigments are used for reflecting and absorbing wavelengths. they do this to optimize photosynthesis and to protect them from wavelengths that might be harmful to them. Pigments take a lot of energy to make and they are constantly being made as pigments do break down on a regular basis. Depending on what pigments the zooxan in the coral are producing determine the color that you see in the coral. Another example of a pigment we will use trees instead of coral. The most common pigment is trees and plants is chlorophyl A this we see as green and all spring and summer long the trees are making this pigment constantly along with a few other different pigments, but we see the green because it is the most abundant pigment in the leaf and it out washes all the other colors they produce. When the the tree stops producing pigments let's say in the fall the chlorophyl A is the first to break down it starts to break down a lot faster than the other pigments, which is why we see the leaves changing colors as the more dominant chlorophyl A diminishes we can see the other pigments. eventually all the pigments break down and the leaf will turn brown and fall off of the tree. I hope this gives you a good understanding of pigments as for your other question I'm sorry but I can't give a definite answers as to how long it takes for the anemone to change color or become it original color:(

So I understood a lot of this before you said it, but I didn't think about the green could die off inside of the nem and/or become the minority when orange starts to grow and take over. So I think I need at least 1 orange pigment to start this process. Is there any chance the cipro killed off all of the orange and only green pigment could survive in that environment? Or is the orange just slow to come back?

Also, should I turn my kessil to full blue or full spectrum to encourage the growth of orange more rapidly? Currently I have the Kissel at almost 50% blue for the knob rotation at the top of my 160. Thanks

 

[Nemguy123]

So I understood a lot of this before you said it, but I didn't think about the green could die off inside of the nem and/or become the minority when orange starts to grow and take over. So I think I need at least 1 orange pigment to start this process. Is there any chance the cipro killed off all of the orange and only green pigment could survive in that environment? Or is the orange just slow to come back?

Also, should I turn my kessil to full blue or full spectrum to encourage the growth of orange more rapidly? Currently I have the Kissel at almost 50% blue for the knob rotation at the top of my 160. Thanks

Well pigments don't grow they are produced my the zooxan, cipro can kill a lot of the zooxan in the animal causing to looked bleached or discolored. im sure if you keep your lights at what you've normally kept them at the population of zooxan in the anemone will go back to normal numbers. They will produce pigments again and hopefully they will be the same pigments originally produced best of luck this just needs time and patience maybe take weekly photographs of the anemone so if there is re coloration we will have the pictures to look at :)

 

[Frosty Latte]

So I took a bunch of photos so you could see the progress

Tapatalk just said these are now attachments...
Hope you all can still see these and the progress. Also, looks like ok of the tenticals at the bottom of the photo might have a hint of orange! Take a look for yourself :)

 

[Frosty Latte]

Well pigments don't grow they are produced my the zooxan, cipro can kill a lot of the zooxan in the animal causing to looked bleached or discolored. im sure if you keep your lights at what you've normally kept them at the population of zooxan in the anemone will go back to normal numbers. They will produce pigments again and hopefully they will be the same pigments originally produced best of luck this just needs time and patience maybe take weekly photographs of the anemone so if there is re coloration we will have the pictures to look at :)

Okay, I'll update weekly with new photos. Come back on mondays to see update of color and size

 

[Nemguy123]

Okay, I'll update weekly with new photos. Come back on mondays to see update of color and size

Awesome cool beans can't wait to see how this all goes down :)

 

[Frosty Latte]

Photo update as promised:

And here is one of the nem:

Looking healthy. I haven't fed any of them. Maybe today I'll feed. Green nem has a slight hint of orange now on a couple of tenticals, but you have to look for it to see it. Also, I removed the red cup as the nem moved out and is wandering very slowly on the glass near the top.

 

[Frosty Latte]

Hello! My nem has been cruising around the tank and was getting into a fight with the frog spawn. I moved the little Frankenstein over to a rock crack and has been there for 3 days now doing great! Up to about lacrosse ball size now in the upper left:

Here is the little guy zoomed in:

Thanks again for all your help bringing my nem back from the dead and transforming it from a colorado sunburst into a Frankenstein!

 

[Nemguy123]

Looking good!

 

[Frosty Latte]

Thanks. Didn't realize I missed some mondays... sorry

 

[Frosty Latte]

Nem is doing great and even bigger than last week: