I agree with this statement 100% and with the MASNA Response (one of the first places I went upon learning of this proposal).
Again my point here isn't to say do it or don't, just to provide clear information so people are fully informed.
When I see people saying "omg we will never be able to own SPS", I find the need to pipe in.
They are wrong. People are overreacting and adding info to this issue that is irrelevant IMO.
This is all I'm trying to say and I base it off info on the websites previously referenced, past experiences and confirmed events from the past regarding similar topics, as well as verbal answers from an NOAA rep.
"You can own and care for any specimen on the list unless designated to the actual ESA list, not "threatened". ***This is confirmed by looking at current specimens on the list and what you can and can't do with those classified specimens.***
You can continue to own them, even after the classification. This includes moving your tank to a new home, even across state lines and rehoming.
***Again precedence confirms this to be a fact***
You can transport them across state lines but not for commercial purposes, and never internationally.
***Again precedence confirms this to be a fact***
You CAN give or receive any specimens on the list for free (IE frag swaps and giving frags to friends) but no money or services/goods can be exchanged (IE commercial transactions).
***Again precedence confirms this to be a fact***
Most on the list are being classified as "threatened" not "endangered" which means there will be even more "exclusions and circumstances" that ALLOW for ownership and the likes, INCLUDING CAPTIVE RAISED SPECIMENS, Commercial permits will most likely be available based on data pertaining to past permit availability.
***Again precedence confirms this to be a fact***
Other rights and privledges are available if you own the specimen prior to the new classifications (Grandfathered specimen).
***Again precedence confirms this to be a fact***"
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KEEP CALM AND REEF ON!!
Can you please provide us with the exact links to the verbiage that states what you claim above? Simply posting the main page to the NOAA and telling us you spoke to someone on the phone isn't going to cut it. I'm sorry but unless you provide exact physical evidence of your "facts" I am not going to believe you. I personally know 3 game wardens that live in my subdivision. I'm on our Board of Directors for the subdivision and have to deal with them frequently. This whole situation will become a nightmare if they drive by my house and see that "blue glow" emitting from half my windows. It's a dead giveaway I have a reef aquarium and there's no way possible they will be able to identify my corals. They would rather confiscate and let the judge sort it out.
Seriously, sit back for a minute and think about what you are asking us to do. You want a website full of strangers to believe someone they have never met. I understand and appriciate your enthusiasim to help us out with this situation but you need to realize, what you have been told over the phone does NOT coincide with what is written in black and white. Do you honestly think an officer of the law is going to care when you tell him "but I spoke to a lady on the phone and she said...." He is going to laugh at you as he tears your aquarium apart.
And to be honest, for all I know, you may secretly want this passed and decided to chime in here hoping to calm everyone down. This is the internet anything is possible.
Bonjour!
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