NOAA to Propose Ban on import of Bangaii Cardinal

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Threatened by Aquarium Trade, Indonesian Fish Has Declined up to 90%
WASHINGTON— NOAA Fisheries has announced a proposed rule to ban the import and export of threatened Banggai cardinalfish, following a 2021 petition from conservation groups.
“Far too many of these gorgeous little fish have been netted from Indonesia’s wild reefs for tanks in the United States,” said Dianne DuBois, a staff scientist at the Center for Biological Diversity. “These proposed protections will give them a fighting chance at recovering their plummeting populations in the wild.”
Banggai cardinalfish, Indonesian coral reef inhabitants known for their bold black bands and white-speckled fins, have seen their numbers plummet by as much as 90% since the 1990s due to decades of overexploitation by the aquarium trade. Scientists have estimated that 75%-80% of the fish collected from the wild die even before they’re exported.
The United States has long been a major importer of the species, with an average of 120,000 imported each year. It is also the world’s largest importer of coral reef wildlife overall, responsible for about 60% of the global market.
“For far too long, the United States has contributed to the exploitation, suffering, and decline of this species in the wild by allowing imports for the aquarium trade,” explains DJ Schubert, a wildlife biologist at the Animal Welfare Institute. “Today’s proposal is the first step in eliminating the United States as a destination for Banggai cardinalfish and sending a clear signal to Indonesia that it must do more to conserve the species and its habitat.”
In 2016 the National Marine Fisheries Service listed the Banggai cardinalfish as threatened under the Endangered Species Act but failed to offer the fish any protections from trade. Monday’s proposal would ban imports and exports of the fish to reduce threats from the U.S. aquarium trade but would not ban sales of Banggai cardinalfish for the pet trade within the United States. The public has until Oct. 16 to submit comments in response to the proposed rule.
“This is an encouraging, yet long overdue, recognition of the dire straits these unique fish find themselves in,” said Jane Davenport, senior attorney for Defenders of Wildlife. “Addressing the biodiversity crisis will take bold and transformative action; forward progress like this is urgently needed to save the terrestrial and ocean ecosystems we depend on.”
Banggai cardinalfish once flourished in the coral reefs of Indonesia’s Banggai Islands. But they are now limited to small, isolated populations because of exploitation from the pet trade, habitat loss and climate change. Several Banggai cardinalfish populations have been completely wiped out.
Beyond its striking appearance, the species is unusual because males are mouthbrooders. A male inhales the fertilized eggs and, while they incubate in his mouth, the female defends her mate.
Coral reef ecosystems are increasingly uninhabitable by Banggai cardinalfish and other coral-dependent wildlife because of coral bleaching, the loss of sea anemones and urchins, and sea-level rise and temperature increases from climate change. This fish will not survive these compounding threats if its populations continue to be exploited by the aquarium trade.
 

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I believe there is plenty of captive bred bangaii cardinal available. No reason to collect them from wild. Same goes for many other fish.

Even though the wild populations bounced back from near extinction, the increased demand from aquarium trade led to breeders introducing the fish to new wild territories. Hence disrupting those regions.

Edit: Restricting the hobby is not going to have a significant impact on wild fish populations. Aquarium trade collects probably 1% of what fishing industry collects, and does not destroy coral reefs with dredging.
 
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Maybe they should focus on drift nets... And my two wild caught Banggai cardinals do not agree with this 'proposed rule', because they will probably survive longer in my tank than off the coast of Indonesia...

Nice how they touched on "habitat loss" and "climate change" (the new catch phrase for global warming).

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I believe there is plenty of captive bred bangaii cardinal available. No reason to collect them from wild. Same goes for many other fish.

Even though the wild populations bounced back from near extinction, the increased demand fromm aquarium trade led to breeders introducing the fish to new wild territories. Hence disrupting those regions.
Totally agree. One of the reasons I've committed to only stocking aquacultured fish
 
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Maybe they should focus on drift nets... And my two wild caught Banggai cardinals do not agree with this 'proposed rule', because they will probably survive longer in my tank than off the coast of Indonesia...

Nice how they touched on "habitat loss" and "climate change" (the new catch phrase for global warming).

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Maybe they should focus on drift nets... And my two wild caught Banggai cardinals do not agree with this 'proposed rule', because they will probably survive longer in my tank than off the coast of Indonesia...

Nice how they touched on "habitat loss" and "climate change" (the new catch phrase for global warming).

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I'm sure decades of blasting reefs with dynamite indisputably contributed to habitat loss, among many other reasons.
 

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I would not be too concerned as Bangai's are probably one of the easiest fish to breed in captivity and captive bred has pretty much always been plentiful from a variety of sources at reasonable prices. I might even compare them to guppies breeding in captivity.
 

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I'm sure decades of blasting reefs with dynamite indisputably contributed to habitat loss, among many other reasons.
Because of course even when we ban the import of Banggai cardinalfish this will immediately cease...
 

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Then there’s the us govt. look how many atolls and reefs that got nuked out of existence in the pacific in the 50’s and 60’s

Just because something bad happened in the past is not a reason to avoid doing the right thing now.
 

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Reefbuilders rebuttal is spot on. NOAA is taking information from studies 30 years ago, I'm all for aquaculture and sustainability, but let's make sure we're putting rules in place that make sense and protect all parties involved.

 

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Reefbuilders rebuttal is spot on. NOAA is taking information from studies 30 years ago, I'm all for aquaculture and sustainability, but let's make sure we're putting rules in place that make sense and protect all parties involved.

The key (IMHO) point in the article: "And that is yet another blow to the aquarium trade and a potential win for those who believe that animals of ANY KIND should not be kept as anyone’s pet. "

This is actually the philosophy of various national organizations (that animals should not be kept as pets).
 

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The key (IMHO) point in the article: "And that is yet another blow to the aquarium trade and a potential win for those who believe that animals of ANY KIND should not be kept as anyone’s pet. "

This is actually the philosophy of various national organizations (that animals should not be kept as pets).
since some people used that 'haha' button - here are some links - you can read the thoughts yourself:

So if you don't think the hobby in which you participate is under fire - IMHO - wrong
 

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Its a fish that is easily bred in captivity so does anyone really care if there is a wild caught ban?

I also find it hilarious how fast this topic consistently devolves into whether or not fish keeping is even ethical. If you think its not ethical....WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE?

Also remember that link is PETA, the organization known for killing animals, funding terrorism and generally being laughed at for being ridiculous.
 

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Its a fish that is easily bred in captivity so does anyone really care if there is a wild caught ban?

I also find it hilarious how fast this topic consistently devolves into whether or not fish keeping is even ethical. If you think its not ethical....WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE?
Well I find it hilarious how people do not read posts. No one here thinks fish-keeping is unethical - nor do the majority of people in the USA. There are many people who think any keeping of coral and fish is 'immoral'. It was a point concerning the future of your hobby
 

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The part you quoted was not even directed at you, the second part was directed at PETA(whom you linked). Not everything is about you man.
 

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Hi All,

Wondering if anyone has already seen this. Particularly Jake @ Biota.



Threatened by Aquarium Trade, Indonesian Fish Has Declined up to 90%

WASHINGTON— NOAA Fisheries has announced a proposed rule to ban the import and export of threatened Banggai cardinalfish, following a 2021 petition from conservation groups.
“Far too many of these gorgeous little fish have been netted from Indonesia’s wild reefs for tanks in the United States,” said Dianne DuBois, a staff scientist at the Center for Biological Diversity. “These proposed protections will give them a fighting chance at recovering their plummeting populations in the wild.”
Banggai cardinalfish, Indonesian coral reef inhabitants known for their bold black bands and white-speckled fins, have seen their numbers plummet by as much as 90% since the 1990s due to decades of overexploitation by the aquarium trade. Scientists have estimated that 75%-80% of the fish collected from the wild die even before they’re exported.
The United States has long been a major importer of the species, with an average of 120,000 imported each year. It is also the world’s largest importer of coral reef wildlife overall, responsible for about 60% of the global market.
“For far too long, the United States has contributed to the exploitation, suffering, and decline of this species in the wild by allowing imports for the aquarium trade,” explains DJ Schubert, a wildlife biologist at the Animal Welfare Institute. “Today’s proposal is the first step in eliminating the United States as a destination for Banggai cardinalfish and sending a clear signal to Indonesia that it must do more to conserve the species and its habitat.”
In 2016 the National Marine Fisheries Service listed the Banggai cardinalfish as threatened under the Endangered Species Act but failed to offer the fish any protections from trade. Monday’s proposal would ban imports and exports of the fish to reduce threats from the U.S. aquarium trade but would not ban sales of Banggai cardinalfish for the pet trade within the United States. The public has until Oct. 16 to submit comments in response to the proposed rule.
“This is an encouraging, yet long overdue, recognition of the dire straits these unique fish find themselves in,” said Jane Davenport, senior attorney for Defenders of Wildlife. “Addressing the biodiversity crisis will take bold and transformative action; forward progress like this is urgently needed to save the terrestrial and ocean ecosystems we depend on.”
Banggai cardinalfish once flourished in the coral reefs of Indonesia’s Banggai Islands. But they are now limited to small, isolated populations because of exploitation from the pet trade, habitat loss and climate change. Several Banggai cardinalfish populations have been completely wiped out.
Beyond its striking appearance, the species is unusual because males are mouthbrooders. A male inhales the fertilized eggs and, while they incubate in his mouth, the female defends her mate.
Coral reef ecosystems are increasingly uninhabitable by Banggai cardinalfish and other coral-dependent wildlife because of coral bleaching, the loss of sea anemones and urchins, and sea-level rise and temperature increases from climate change. This fish will not survive these compounding threats if its populations continue to be exploited by the aquarium trade.

Here is a link to the full NOAA proposal:


People can and should make comments during the open period.

The Banggai virus is still a huge issue, here is some text I wrote about that:

Banggai Cardinalfish Iridovirus (BCIR)
This fish was originally discovered in 1933 but then lost to science for about 60 years, when the Banggai cardinalfish (Pterapogon kauderni) was “rediscovered” and began entering the tropical fish trade. Aquarists noted how hardy the species was and that they were very easy to reproduce in captivity. A decade later, the price for wild-caught Banggai cardinalfish had decreased fivefold, but the animals were now considered very delicate, with high losses seen in newly acquired wild fish.

What was the cause of this sudden change in the apparent health of this species in captivity? Poor handling, collection with cyanide (unlikely), and bacterial disease were all suggested as possible reasons for this change. A researcher then published a study showing that the presence of an iridovirus was associated with episodes of mass mortality in newly imported cardinalfish (Weber et al. 2009). A similar virus has since been isolated from the common batfish, Platax orbicularis (Sriwanayos et al. 2013), but a corresponding high mortality in aquarium fish of that species has not been noted, perhaps because many fewer batfish are imported for the pet trade than the ever-popular Banggai cardinalfish.

Since there is no cure for this viral disease, captive-raised fish that were never exposed to wild stock, or fish that have subsequently developed immunity by surviving an infection would be the best choices for aquarists. Avoid inexpensive wild-caught Banggai Cardinalfish. Not only do they have a poor survival record, but they’re also being collected at such a high rate that wild populations are locally threatened with extinction.

Jay
 

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Reefbuilders rebuttal is spot on.
Sadly, they add utterly ridiculous opinions into their argument. I have no opinion on whether this regulation is appropriate or not, but this write up really turns me off to the authors position.

““Scientists have estimated that 75%-80% of the fish collected from the wild die even before they’re exported.” Surely it is not the job of a scientist to estimate anything, and who were they, and when did they conduct their studies? ”

It’s certainly fine to ask about the studies, but to suggest that “Surely it is not the job of a scientist to estimate anything,”

What an unbelievably ignorant comment. Estimating things is EXACTLY what scientists do.
 

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Hi All,

Wondering if anyone has already seen this. Particularly Jake @ Biota.



Threatened by Aquarium Trade, Indonesian Fish Has Declined up to 90%

WASHINGTON— NOAA Fisheries has announced a proposed rule to ban the import and export of threatened Banggai cardinalfish, following a 2021 petition from conservation groups.
“Far too many of these gorgeous little fish have been netted from Indonesia’s wild reefs for tanks in the United States,” said Dianne DuBois, a staff scientist at the Center for Biological Diversity. “These proposed protections will give them a fighting chance at recovering their plummeting populations in the wild.”
Banggai cardinalfish, Indonesian coral reef inhabitants known for their bold black bands and white-speckled fins, have seen their numbers plummet by as much as 90% since the 1990s due to decades of overexploitation by the aquarium trade. Scientists have estimated that 75%-80% of the fish collected from the wild die even before they’re exported.
The United States has long been a major importer of the species, with an average of 120,000 imported each year. It is also the world’s largest importer of coral reef wildlife overall, responsible for about 60% of the global market.
“For far too long, the United States has contributed to the exploitation, suffering, and decline of this species in the wild by allowing imports for the aquarium trade,” explains DJ Schubert, a wildlife biologist at the Animal Welfare Institute. “Today’s proposal is the first step in eliminating the United States as a destination for Banggai cardinalfish and sending a clear signal to Indonesia that it must do more to conserve the species and its habitat.”
In 2016 the National Marine Fisheries Service listed the Banggai cardinalfish as threatened under the Endangered Species Act but failed to offer the fish any protections from trade. Monday’s proposal would ban imports and exports of the fish to reduce threats from the U.S. aquarium trade but would not ban sales of Banggai cardinalfish for the pet trade within the United States. The public has until Oct. 16 to submit comments in response to the proposed rule.
“This is an encouraging, yet long overdue, recognition of the dire straits these unique fish find themselves in,” said Jane Davenport, senior attorney for Defenders of Wildlife. “Addressing the biodiversity crisis will take bold and transformative action; forward progress like this is urgently needed to save the terrestrial and ocean ecosystems we depend on.”
Banggai cardinalfish once flourished in the coral reefs of Indonesia’s Banggai Islands. But they are now limited to small, isolated populations because of exploitation from the pet trade, habitat loss and climate change. Several Banggai cardinalfish populations have been completely wiped out.
Beyond its striking appearance, the species is unusual because males are mouthbrooders. A male inhales the fertilized eggs and, while they incubate in his mouth, the female defends her mate.
Coral reef ecosystems are increasingly uninhabitable by Banggai cardinalfish and other coral-dependent wildlife because of coral bleaching, the loss of sea anemones and urchins, and sea-level rise and temperature increases from climate change. This fish will not survive these compounding threats if its populations continue to be exploited by the aquarium trade.
Thanks for tagging us, I actually read this this morning and we contacted a few of our friends regarding this issue. I've been working on getting some captive-bred banggai cardinalfish out of Indo for the last few months and it has proven difficult. Obviously many of us in the industry have our own biases (myself included).

They are one of the easier fish to breed in captivity but not as many people are breeding them as there should be due to their low fecundity.
 
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