Ozone with already high ORP?

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The baseline ORP on my tank has been persistently in the 500s for the past 4-5 months. I think it’s due to high oxygenation of my tank but I’m not sure. I have a ton of flow and a good protein skimmer. I checked the probe against a standardized solution of 222 and it reads 240 so it’s close enough. I’ve cleaned probe too so I’m reasonably confident that the reading is close enough.

I’ve been wanting to run ozone (I have all the equipment for it) for increased water clarity. Is it safe to run for an hour a night with my ORP already in the 500s? Should I set my controller to turn it off if the ORP goes up (and if so what should be my cutoff?)
 
How did you clean the probe?
 
What ORP probe are you using?
 
Prazipro increased my ORP by almost 200 mV. It wasn’t until it (and the glycol) had all been removed by my filtration system, mainly skimmer, that it dropped back to baseline again. Perhaps there is something in your tank that is doing the same.
 
I’m doing auto water changes, dosing A4R (alk 8.4), brightwell neo nitrate, easy reef booster, and tropic Marin elimi NP. I have a recirculating co2 scrubber. I have 6 power heads in a 4 ft reef. My SPS is growing. I’m also running UV. Could any of this be a culprit?
 
I’m doing auto water changes, dosing A4R (alk 8.4), brightwell neo nitrate, easy reef booster, and tropic Marin elimi NP. I have a recirculating co2 scrubber. I have 6 power heads in a 4 ft reef. My SPS is growing. I’m also running UV. Could any of this be a culprit?

I expect it is test error.
 
Prazipro increased my ORP by almost 200 mV. It wasn’t until it (and the glycol) had all been removed by my filtration system, mainly skimmer, that it dropped back to baseline again. Perhaps there is something in your tank that is doing the same.

I don’t see how prazipro boosts ORP appreciably, except a small effect by lowering pH.
 
Even with 2 different probes and it reading near correct in a standardized fluid?
Maybe the standard fluid is off. :)

What fluid?
 
Might be. It’s just something I bought off Amazon that stated 222 standardized orp. Any suggestions what fluid I should try?

One of the issues with redox standards is what reference electrode it is in relation to. Scientists often compare to the standard hydrogen electrode, but it’s not a practical tool.

ORP and the Reef Aquarium - Reefkeeping.com

ORP
Electrodes

Since ORP is a measure of the electron "pulling and pushing" from the solution, it makes sense that ORP would be measured as an electrical signal. In other words, the chemicals themselves pull and push the electrons to and from a suitable probe, and the resulting voltage is a direct measure of the redox properties of the solution. ORP can be measured in other ways, such as with redox sensitive dyes, but that is rarely done by aquarists.

The electrode that actually does the ORP sensing is usually an "inert" metal, such as platinum or gold. However, one cannot simply put a single electrode into a solution and expect to get anything useful because the voltage needs to be compared to something else. That is, voltage is always the electrical potential difference between two different points, not an absolute measure at a single point. So one needs a reference electrode that provides a constant "ground" with which to compare the electrical potential in solution.

One such reference electrode can be provided by the standard hydrogen electrode. The standard hydrogen electrode involves the following reaction:

2H+ + 2e- <—> H2

The standard hydrogen electrode is a probe immersed into a solution with a fixed concentration (activity) of H+ and H2. This reference electrode is arbitrarily defined as having a zero voltage. To make a measurement with a platinum redox electrode, one then measures the voltage difference between the platinum redox electrode put into your solution of choice, and this reference electrode put into its reference solution (plus an electrical connection between the two, usually provided by a salt bridge). The value measured in this fashion is often called EH.

Unfortunately, the standard hydrogen electrode is cumbersome to use, and only specialized labs typically use them. Luckily, much simpler reference electrodes have been developed that are very easy to use. The one that is typically used for measuring ORP is the silver/silver chloride (Ag/AgCl) electrode. These electrodes are typically included in ORP electrodes, even if the manufacturer does not specifically say so. Consequently, all ORP readings taken by aquarists (and all values quoted in this article unless otherwise stated) are using this reference electrode.

The Ag/AgCl electrode works as follows. Inside of such an electrode is a silver wire coated with silver chloride and surrounded by a solution saturated with potassium chloride. The reaction setting the potential for this reference electrode is:

AgCl(s) + e- <—> Ag(s) + Cl-

The potential for this reaction only depends on the concentration of chloride in the internal filling solution. Using a saturated potassium chloride (KCl) solution keeps the chloride concentration steady (at a given temperature), making this a good choice as a reference electrode. One then only needs a tiny electrical connection to the solution being measured to complete the circuit, and allow measurement of ORP using a platinum electrode.

One difference between the Ag/AgCl electrode and the standard hydrogen electrode is that they do not have the same potential voltage. If they did, and the potential difference between them was measured, there would be no voltage difference. However, it turns out that there is a voltage difference of about 199 mv at 25°C. Consequently, if one wants to interpret ORP in terms of the EH, one has to add 199 mv to the ORP reading to get EH.
 
Randy, if I make a 10:1 bleach solution and test the ORP, can we compare it to his probe and see how theirs read to the same bleach ratio?

Would that work as a rough gauge?
 
Randy, if I make a 10:1 bleach solution and test the ORP, can we compare it to his probe and see how theirs read to the same bleach ratio?

Would that work as a rough gauge?

Not sure, but maybe. :)
 

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