PHplus Reef Zlements

[14 foot reef]

PHplus Reef Zlements
Has anyone tried this product, and is it available in the USA ?
If you have tried this product, what are your thoughts of its impact on your PH.
And for all you really smart people, what do you think the product contains in it that elevates PH without elevating the Alk?

https://www.reef-zlements.com/z-phplus

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

No chemical additive can boost pH and not alk (and they do not claim this that I can see).

However, some of its claims are simply not correct or at least are misleading. No chemical can boost pH more than kalkwasser (hydroxide) per unit of alk added. They are probably hiding behind the idea that one may be able to add it faster or to a greater extent than kalkwasser that is limited by evaporation.

It may be a two part using either carbonate or hydroxide for the alk part. I have diy recipe threads using food grade sodium hydroxide as the alk part. Maybe they just copied it. lol

 

[14 foot reef]

No chemical additive can boost pH and not alk (and they do not claim this that I can see).

However, some of its claims are simply not correct or at least are misleading. No chemical can boost pH more than kalkwasser (hydroxide) per unit of alk added. They are probably hiding behind the idea that one may be able to add it faster or to a greater extent than kalkwasser that is limited by evaporation.

It may be a two part using either carbonate or hydroxide for the alk part. I have diy recipe threads using food grade sodium hydroxide as the alk part. Maybe they just copied it. lol

They probably did just copy you !!!!!!!
Thanks as always Randy

 

[1979fishgeek]

I’ve been using Reef Zlements PH Plus since last September and can honestly say what ever is in it work’s incredibly well.

I had issues with the pH being at 7.9 first thing in the morning and since dosing PH PLUS it’s now sitting at 8.2 and rock steady.

My Coraline algae went crazy within days of using RZ Ph plus and it’s now a thick deep purple and pink crust over everything. If I add a new rock within a few weeks it’s totally covered. I’ve got Asterina starfish that eat Coraline and they don’t make a dent in it now.

Stoney Coral growth has increased dramatically as well, they really love the higher and more consistent stable ph.

I love Reef Zlements products and do a Monthly ICP test with them and just so impressed. Don’t know what they’ve put in it, but it’s awesome, game changer for me.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I’ve been using Reef Zlements PH Plus since last September and can honestly say what ever is in it work’s incredibly well.

I had issues with the pH being at 7.9 first thing in the morning and since dosing PH PLUS it’s now sitting at 8.2 and rock steady.

My Coraline algae went crazy within days of using RZ Ph plus and it’s now a thick deep purple and pink crust over everything. If I add a new rock within a few weeks it’s totally covered. I’ve got Asterina starfish that eat Coraline and they don’t make a dent in it now.

Stoney Coral growth has increased dramatically as well, they really love the higher and more consistent stable ph.

I love Reef Zlements products and do a Monthly ICP test with them and just so impressed. Don’t know what they’ve put in it, but it’s awesome, game changer for me.

What were you using before this product for alk and calcium?

 

[1979fishgeek]

What were you using before this product for alk and calcium?

Calcium reactor and Kalk in ato.

 

[biom]

I’ve been using Reef Zlements PH Plus since last September and can honestly say what ever is in it work’s incredibly well.

I had issues with the pH being at 7.9 first thing in the morning and since dosing PH PLUS it’s now sitting at 8.2 and rock steady.

My Coraline algae went crazy within days of using RZ Ph plus and it’s now a thick deep purple and pink crust over everything. If I add a new rock within a few weeks it’s totally covered. I’ve got Asterina starfish that eat Coraline and they don’t make a dent in it now.

Stoney Coral growth has increased dramatically as well, they really love the higher and more consistent stable ph.

I love Reef Zlements products and do a Monthly ICP test with them and just so impressed. Don’t know what they’ve put in it, but it’s awesome, game changer for me.

It is good that it works that well for you but I don't think there is something extraordinary in their Two Part additive they are probably using Randy's high pH Two Part recipe with sodium hydroxide. What makes difference is probably the trace elements in the product (and not only in this product because it seems you are using also other products).
IME Calcium reactor and Kalk in ATO is the best way dosing for the big demanding SPS dominated tanks, yeah it is quite hard to adjust but still. All you need is just some trace and micro elements.

 

[Reef Dork]

No chemical additive can boost pH and not alk (and they do not claim this that I can see).

However, some of its claims are simply not correct or at least are misleading. No chemical can boost pH more than kalkwasser (hydroxide) per unit of alk added. They are probably hiding behind the idea that one may be able to add it faster or to a greater extent than kalkwasser that is limited by evaporation.

It may be a two part using either carbonate or hydroxide for the alk part. I have diy recipe threads using food grade sodium hydroxide as the alk part. Maybe they just copied it. lol

This is interesting. I currently dose kalkwasser on my tank (photo for reference).


I also dose quite a lot of two part (ati essentials plus which boosts pH) because saturated kalk doesn't meet my alkalinity demand. I'm hoping to achieve the same pH boost by switching to just dosing RZ pH Plus - in theory could the fact I'll be dosing much more pH Plus than I can saturated kalk (3 litres per day is my limit) give me the boost I'm hoping for?

I appreciate I'm probably asking you to speculate quite a lot! I have seen a data sheet before that said something like "up to 15%" sodium hydroxide but I can't find it now. If my question is too speculative, same question but applied to your sodium hydroxide DIY recipe!

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Using a hydroxide based two part will give a much larger pH boost than using a carbonate based two part.

 

[Asulu]

This is interesting. I currently dose kalkwasser on my tank (photo for reference).


I also dose quite a lot of two part (ati essentials plus which boosts pH) because saturated kalk doesn't meet my alkalinity demand. I'm hoping to achieve the same pH boost by switching to just dosing RZ pH Plus - in theory could the fact I'll be dosing much more pH Plus than I can saturated kalk (3 litres per day is my limit) give me the boost I'm hoping for?

I appreciate I'm probably asking you to speculate quite a lot! I have seen a data sheet before that said something like "up to 15%" sodium hydroxide but I can't find it now. If my question is too speculative, same question but applied to your sodium hydroxide DIY recipe!

have you tried reef zelements?
how does it perform against ati?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

have you tried reef zelements?
how does it perform against ati?

What aspects of "performance" are you asking about?

 

[Asulu]

Ph Boost :)

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

It's claims are misleading at best.

There is NO possible chemical that can raise pH more than limewater/kalkwasser or a diy two part made from sodium hydroxide per unit of alkalinity dosed.

The pH plus does not say what it's alkalinity ingredient is, but it may be sodium hydroxide.

However you dose hydroxide, it will have a higher pH boost peer unit of alkalinity added than does the ATI two part, which is carbonate or bicarbonate based .

 

[Reef Dork]

have you tried reef zelements?
how does it perform against ati?

I intended to switch from ATI to RZ, but I didn't in the end. I run RZ pH plus on 2 other tanks, but I'm not monitoring pH on those tanks.

 

[Cryptocaryon]

Regarding this product. They say to stop dosing if kh has raised past 8Dkh is this for any particular reason based on the effectiveness of the product or simply the company don't like to see alkalinity above 8?

For example if someone liked to keep thier alk at 9Dkh would the product still work to maintain that number.

Thanks

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Regarding this product. They say to stop dosing if kh has raised past 8Dkh is this for any particular reason based on the effectiveness of the product or simply the company don't like to see alkalinity above 8?

For example if someone liked to keep thier alk at 9Dkh would the product still work to maintain that number.

Thanks

Can’t answer for them, but no alk supplement is limited to only 8 dKH.

Reasons to keep it low can include less precipitation of calcium carbonate, a preference in general for lower alk, and less reason to use large doses at once, which again may contribute to high pH and calcium carbonate precipitation.

Personally, I’d just ignore that advice from them if you do want alk higher.

 

[Cryptocaryon]

Can’t answer for them, but no alk supplement is limited to only 8 dKH.

Reasons to keep it low can include less precipitation of calcium carbonate, a preference in general for lower alk, and less reason to use large doses at once, which again may contribute to high pH and calcium carbonate precipitation.

Personally, I’d just ignore that advice from them if you do want alk higher.

Makes sence, ill still to there reference to avoid the things you menion. Thank you

 

[Seansea]

Wont this raise salinity as well?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Wont this raise salinity as well?

Like any two part, yes.