Plumbing too loud

[jdpeters]

Finally getting water into my 40 breeder today and working on tuning it. I do have a gate valve but no adjustment to it or reducing my return pump seems to quite it.

I’m not sure how long of a pipe in the overflow box I need to cut, it’s making considerable sucking noise.

Additionally I have a custom sump kit but the splash box pipes are super long and intricately cut with a design and I have it nearly all the way down to the bottom of the sump. How far below the surface of the water do I want to extend? I heard if they are too long the bubbles and I assume noise get out of control.

tight stand so please don’t judge my cable management, I have a GFCI circuit, and working on making it safe.

 

[Pistondog]

Was this a kit aquarium?
If so, the overflow might be setup for a herbie style, which will quiet the gurgling.
Goto 2 minutes in the linked video for setup

 

[Kingsley_Reef]

Hard to see from your pic but in that shallow overflow I would not have a pipe on your main drain just a strainer and have your emergency drain 1” from the lid as for the pipes in the sump I find 1” below water level works well

 

[jdpeters]

Hard to see from your pic but in that shallow overflow I would not have a pipe on your main drain just a strainer and have your emergency drain 1” from the lid as for the pipes in the sump I find 1” below water level works well

You say ditch the pipe? Not sure where I got it in my head to add one to the main. I will try to tinker from there.

Any suggestions as far as the pipe down into the splash box?

Was this a kit aquarium?
If so, the overflow might be setup for a herbie style, which will quiet the gurgling.
Goto 2 minutes in the linked video for setup

I will watch that. It’s a eshopps eclipse size m

 

[phillyb614]

 

[theMeat]

If it’s a two pipe drain system it’s a herbie design and you don’t have an emergency drain. You have a primary (with valve), and a secondary. You want the secondary about 40% full or less. Use the valve on the primary to adjust so that not too much goes down the secondary. That will be pretty silent. An elbow on the top end of both the primary and secondary could help too
Note, it will take a minute or three to purge the air out of the primary to achieve full siphon, than you can fine tune your primary adjustment

 

[jdpeters]

If it’s a two pipe drain system it’s a herbie design and you don’t have an emergency drain. You have a primary (with valve), and a secondary. You want the secondary about 40% full or less. Use the valve on the primary to adjust so that not too much goes down the secondary. That will be pretty silent. An elbow on the top end of both the primary and secondary could help too
Note, it will take a minute or three to purge the air out of the primary to achieve full siphon, than you can fine tune your primary adjustment

I assumed that second pipe was an emergency, am I wrong?

 

[Pistondog]

Semantics.
What @theMeat said.

 

[Sawacoral]

Not sure what else I can offer here. What has worked for me:
1. Adjusting my return pump power which reduces water going into the overflow
2. Adjusting overall water volume to a reasonable extend
3. Adjusting ball/gate valves to control water going down into the sump. The flexible tubing I used for my setup was a little bigger than what I really needed- adjusting the flow with valves helped just don't cut off too much without adjusting your return pump or you'll have a mess.

 

[theMeat]

I assumed that second pipe was an emergency, am I wrong?

Technically it’s not an emergency drain since some water should be going down that second pipe
What return pump do you have?

What kind of turnover are you shooting for?
5 times tank volume per hour?

Post up a better pic of the external part of the overflow

 

[Kingsley_Reef]

I have mine tuned so no water gos down my emergency or secondary drain but I have seen other run with a slight trickle

 

[jdpeters]

Technically it’s not an emergency drain since some water should be going down that second pipe
What return pump do you have?

What kind of turnover are you shooting for?
5 times tank volume per hour?

Post up a better pic of the external part of the overflow

Return pump is a sicce sdc6 so it’s controllable. Honestly I haven’t had a turnover rate in mind. I have the pump currently set at about 20 percent which now I’m suspecting might be too much. I have a manifold so I wanted a little extra umph for other equipment in the future

 

[theMeat]

Return pump is a sicce sdc6 so it’s controllable. Honestly I haven’t had a turnover rate in mind. I have the pump currently set at about 20 percent which now I’m suspecting might be too much. I have a manifold so I wanted a little extra umph for other equipment in the future

Would shoot for 5-6x turnover on a 40 gal. Without knowing your pump’s head height don’t know for certain but would say you’re not bad.
A one inch full siphon can handle many times more than that, quietly.
Sorry, can’t make out that pic…
The primary pipe needs to be completely underwater, deep enough so that it doesn’t suck air. Air=noise. An elbow might help here.
The height of the secondary needs to be higher than primary so that water falls into it. Too much water and it will splash and make noise. An elbow may help here too. The height of the secondary determines the height of the water level in the outside overflow box. If the water level is too low in outside box then when water falls from inside box into outside box it might make noise.
Watching a vid on how to tune herbie or bean animal will probably help way better than my jumble

 

[jdpeters]

Would shoot for 5-6x turnover on a 40 gal. Without knowing your pump’s head height don’t know for certain but would say you’re not bad.
A one inch full siphon can handle many times more than that, quietly.
Sorry, can’t make out that pic…
The primary pipe needs to be completely underwater, deep enough so that it doesn’t suck air. Air=noise. An elbow might help here.
The height of the secondary needs to be higher than primary so that water falls into it. Too much water and it will splash and make noise. An elbow may help here too. The height of the secondary determines the height of the water level in the outside overflow box. If the water level is too low in outside box then when water falls from inside box into outside box it might make noise.
Watching a vid on how to tune herbie or bean animal will probably help way better than my jumble

I appreciate you being thorough and trying to help me troubleshoot. It’s a 2x1 overflow that came with one pipe, is there any benefit to adding a second pipe or would you keep it just as one? I have some elbows I can mess around with. I will stop pestering you and search out some videos today.

 

[theMeat]

I appreciate you being thorough and trying to help me troubleshoot. It’s a 2x1 overflow that came with one pipe, is there any benefit to adding a second pipe or would you keep it just as one? I have some elbows I can mess around with. I will stop pestering you and search out some videos today.

You’re not pestering me and I’m happy to help if I can along with most members up in here.
Not understanding. I see two pipes going into sump. Is there 2 pipes in outside overflow box?

 

[KStatefan]

Finally getting water into my 40 breeder today and working on tuning it. I do have a gate valve but no adjustment to it or reducing my return pump seems to quite it.

I’m not sure how long of a pipe in the overflow box I need to cut, it’s making considerable sucking noise.

Additionally I have a custom sump kit but the splash box pipes are super long and intricately cut with a design and I have it nearly all the way down to the bottom of the sump. How far below the surface of the water do I want to extend? I heard if they are too long the bubbles and I assume noise get out of control.

tight stand so please don’t judge my cable management, I have a GFCI circuit, and working on making it safe.

Just to clarify since the pictures look like they are different. The drain with the gate vale goes to which in the overflow box?

 

[jdpeters]

Just to clarify since the pictures look like they are different. The drain with the gate vale goes to which in the overflow box?

Thank you for the response. First picture of the overflow box has a second stand pipe in it, the second only has 1 stand pipe which is what I’m currently running. The first drain which is the one without a stand pipe is the one with the gate valve.

You’re not pestering me and I’m happy to help if I can along with most members up in here.
Not understanding. I see two pipes going into sump. Is there 2 pipes in outside overflow box?

Correct, 2 pipes.

 

[theMeat]

Thank you for the response. First picture of the overflow box has a second stand pipe in it, the second only has 1 stand pipe which is what I’m currently running. The first drain which is the one without a stand pipe is the one with the gate valve.

Correct, 2 pipes.

Hey JD, might make it easier to talk in real time. If you want to chat pm me your number, or I can pm you mine. Can talk anytime 6-11 pm est

 

[jdpeters]

Hey JD, might make it easier to talk in real time. If you want to chat pm me your number, or I can pm you mine. Can talk anytime 6-11 pm est

I got the noise in the outside box down to basically zero

I tinkered with it and got it what I think is dialed in but the box inside the tank is still noisy, like when it overflows through the weirs it’s like a water fall noise. Do you believe putting really coarse filter pad on the inside box could be dangerous? It’s not restricting any flow as far as I can tell the way I have it dialed.


Is it possibly just something I have to deal with the particular overflow system?

 

[Kingsley_Reef]

I got the noise in the outside box down to basically zero

I tinkered with it and got it what I think is dialed in but the box inside the tank is still noisy, like when it overflows through the weirs it’s like a water fall noise. Do you believe putting really coarse filter pad on the inside box could be dangerous? It’s not restricting any flow as far as I can tell the way I have it dialed.


Is it possibly just something I have to deal with the particular overflow system?

Higher you raise the water level in your overflow the quieter it will be