PNS ProBio

[jrawk1120]

So all 3 of my tanks are all having the same exact issue. Something tells me it’s just from the changing of the seasons where the heat gets turned on. Hair algae just running rampant.

I fixed flux rx in 2 of the tanks. Never used it so I wanted to try it out. It’s working great but I don’t want a band aid.

My latest test results are ok. Mag is high at 1520 and my phosphates were .51 and I just can’t get them down.

My wife somehow came across PBS PB and she’d like to try it out but I can’t find that much info about it.

My system is 144g display. 30g sump. I wasn’t running my skimmer because my fuge was doing enough great.

Enter winter and it’s just devastating. A lot of polyp bail out on my hammers. My sps is toast.

The dosing schedule is roughly 3/5 a bottle at a time.

Now, this isn’t a cheap hobby and I’m well aware of that. $27ish a bottle and I see many people use it every other day.

I know you can make it, which is the direction I’d go.

Would this be dosed at the same rate? Is it something you get established and you replenish every xx amount of time? Am I overthinking this?

I figure with water displacement, I’m between 125-135 gallons. Rounding up using 135g that’s 169ml. That seems like so much dosing on a regular basis.

Sorry if this is the wrong section to post this in

 

[OnePiece Corals]

I buy a bottle of pns and I put it on a Doser 10ml per day.

I do not follow the manufacture recommendation as thats just money grab. Most of that bacteria will die in saltwater rather quick so its technically a food source for your corals.

I would just do water changes if I were you. I would heat up the new salt water to match your tanks before changing it.

Pns bacteria is not all that to be honest with you because it is not a marine organisms. Don't spend your money buying too many bottle.

For the people that see good results. Its just because of the feed that it provides. Corals consume bacteria dead or alive . And if its gut loaded with goodies( nitrogen / phosphorus and trace minerals all what what the corals need.

 

[jrawk1120]

I buy a bottle of pns and I put it on a Doser 10ml per day.

I do not follow the manufacture recommendation as thats just money grab. Most of that bacteria will die in saltwater rather quick so its technically a food source for your corals.

I would just do water changes if I were you. I would heat up the new salt water to match your tanks before changing it.

Pns bacteria is not all that to be honest with you because it is not a marine organisms. Don't spend your money buying too many bottle.

For the people that see good results. Its just because of the feed that it provides. Corals consume bacteria dead or alive . And if its gut loaded with goodies( nitrogen / phosphorus and trace minerals all what what the corals need.

I was doing ~13-15% changes every other week and my parameters were wicked stable. So I’m just not sure what caused the issue.

I got larger containers for water changes so I’m going to bump it to 25% change.

 

[jrawk1120]

I buy a bottle of pns and I put it on a Doser 10ml per day.

I do not follow the manufacture recommendation as thats just money grab. Most of that bacteria will die in saltwater rather quick so its technically a food source for your corals.

I would just do water changes if I were you. I would heat up the new salt water to match your tanks before changing it.

Pns bacteria is not all that to be honest with you because it is not a marine organisms. Don't spend your money buying too many bottle.

For the people that see good results. Its just because of the feed that it provides. Corals consume bacteria dead or alive . And if its gut loaded with goodies( nitrogen / phosphorus and trace minerals all what what the corals need.

Also, I thought this set up a bacteria culture or the way I’ve been reading it is what I took from it?

 

[OnePiece Corals]

Also, I thought this set up a bacteria culture or the way I’ve been reading it is what I took from it?

No sure im following?

 

[56longroof]

Honestly dont waste your money on it. I've tried it a few times and the benefits are overstated. Its just a overpriced coral food.

 

[OnePiece Corals]

They said a culture bacteria that you can mix your self and grow and dose.

They also sell those 28$ bottle to use.

Again . This bacteria is not really meant to propagate and grow in saltwater. It got a short life in saltwater thus they want you to dose a crap ton so you can keep it alive that the reef organisms can feed on it.

Don't waste your money.

Get a piece a live rock from a priven established tank that grows corals and put it in your sump. Keep up with your waterchanges.

Heck maybe send an icp yest to check if thier is any harmful metals in high quantities that could be bothering your corals

 

[jrawk1120]

They said a culture bacteria that you can mix your self and grow and dose.

They also sell those 28$ bottle to use.

Again . This bacteria is not really meant to propagate and grow in saltwater. It got a short life in saltwater thus they want you to dose a crap ton so you can keep it alive that the reef organisms can feed on it.

Don't waste your money.

Get a piece a live rock from a priven established tank that grows corals and put it in your sump. Keep up with your waterchanges.

Heck maybe send an icp yest to check if thier is any harmful metals in high quantities that could be bothering your corals

Yea, I guess I was understanding it’s purpose when I was reading about it.

Thanks for the info. That makes so much more sense the way you just explained and it clears all my confusion.

 

[Kenneth Wingerter]

Yea, I guess I was understanding it’s purpose when I was reading about it.

Thanks for the info. That makes so much more sense the way you just explained and it clears all my confusion.

Some of what you've been told is simply untrue. PNS bacteria most certainly do grow in saltwater, and can be very well represented in healthy coral reefs (including the open waters). See Tout et al 2014: https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Between_Different_Niches_Within_a_Coral_Reef

As you can see from the figure above, all three genera in PNS ProBio (Rhodopseudomonas, Rhodospirillum, and Rhodobacter) can constitute a major part of the reef microbial community in numerous niches. We found two of the three species in our product (Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides) in samples we took from a South Pacific reef (Aquabiomics reports that I can locate and share, if anyone here would so wish). This was from just a handful of tests taken around a single island. In these instances they were not necessarily abundant, but they nevertheless were clearly there and identified conclusively to the level of species.

And let us not forget that Hydrospace once made a product (PNS Substrate Sauce) that was actually cultivated in saltwater (extremely high sodium saltwater, in fact). Substrate Sauce contained the exact same strains of Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodospirillum rubrum that are in the current version of PNS ProBio (we eliminated Substrate Sauce, by the way, when we introduced the third species Rhodobacter sphaeroides, as to have a single product and keep things simple, instead of having two or three very similar products).

This is an interested topic. I'd suggest googling a group of phases like Rhodopseudomonas+reef or something like that. PNS bacteria are not only commonly found on reefs, but are in some cases identified by researchers as symbiotic with corals. Definitely marine, definitely saltwater, definitely reef. :)

There's some horrible info floating around in the industry regarding PNS bacteria right now (both for and against). If you ever have any questions about our products, please feel free to give me a buzz anytime at (541)
912-2906. Either I won't have a good answer (and will readily admit it), or I'll be able to point you to some study that I feel is relevant/compelling.

I hope this helps!

Many thanks!

Ken

 

[jrawk1120]

Yea, I guess I was understanding it’s purpose when I was reading about it.

Thanks for the info. That makes so much more sense the way you just explained and it clears all my confusion.

Some of what you've been told is simply untrue. PNS bacteria most certainly do grow in saltwater, and can be very well represented in healthy coral reefs (including the open waters). See Tout et al 2014: https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Between_Different_Niches_Within_a_Coral_Reef

As you can see from the figure above, all three genera in PNS ProBio (Rhodopseudomonas, Rhodospirillum, and Rhodobacter) can constitute a major part of the reef microbial community in numerous niches. We found two of the three species in our product (Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides) in samples we took from a South Pacific reef (Aquabiomics reports that I can locate and share, if anyone here would so wish). This was from just a handful of tests taken around a single island. In these instances they were not necessarily abundant, but they nevertheless were clearly there and identified conclusively to the level of species.

And let us not forget that Hydrospace once made a product (PNS Substrate Sauce) that was actually cultivated in saltwater (extremely high sodium saltwater, in fact). Substrate Sauce contained the exact same strains of Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodospirillum rubrum that are in the current version of PNS ProBio (we eliminated Substrate Sauce, by the way, when we introduced the third species Rhodobacter sphaeroides, as to have a single product and keep things simple, instead of having two or three very similar products).

This is an interested topic. I'd suggest googling a group of phases like Rhodopseudomonas+reef or something like that. PNS bacteria are not only commonly found on reefs, but are in some cases identified by researchers as symbiotic with corals. Definitely marine, definitely saltwater, definitely reef. :)

There's some horrible info floating around in the industry regarding PNS bacteria right now (both for and against). If you ever have any questions about our products, please feel free to give me a buzz anytime at (541)
912-2906. Either I won't have a good answer (and will readily admit it), or I'll be able to point you to some study that I feel is relevant/compelling.

I hope this helps!

Many thanks!

Ken

Well I’m regards to my system and the current issues I’m facing, do you think the product is a good fit and could you give me some insight on how this would be dosed in my system? It’s not coal heavy but was getting close to it before the algae ran it into the ground.

 

[Kenneth Wingerter]

Well I’m regards to my system and the current issues I’m facing, do you think the product is a good fit and could you give me some insight on how this would be dosed in my system? It’s not coal heavy but was getting close to it before the algae ran it into the ground.

In my opinion, adding PNSB is always good overall, and I've never seen any undesirable effects on the side. That being said, I don't really consider it to be the most effective means of algae control (though users frequently report reduction of cyanobacteria growth, and sometimes reduction of algae). Feel free to give us a call; maybe we can discuss your situation in more detail from a cost/benefit perspective, based on your specific desired outcome. Thanks again!