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Having problems with PO being high (0.68 on hanna low range checker) and not sure what method to use in order to lower it and control it long term. Is it better to use something like GFO and or liquid dosing for removal? I have a skimmer running and a fuge which grows like crazy but it does not seen to making a dent in the levels. Tank water volume is 200 gallons and has been up and running for over 2 years now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
IMO, there's no single best answer, and doing nothing might be just as good or better in some scenarios.

Can you describe what you want to or are keeping in the tank?
 
I have this issue also. Mine is around .25 - .3. Nitrates around 12. I have a mixed reef so dont want to run GFO. I tried lanthanum for a while, (was careful about dosing it in a sock in high flow) it worked great but nearly killed my yellow tang.

I have caulerpa and cheato in my fuge which grows ok, I have a rollermat and skimmer running 24/7 and do 1 gallon per day AWC in my 140G.

PO4 remains stubbornly high.

I cant decide how to move forward....is .3 PO4 bad enough to justify dosing GFO? Is dosing GFO to reduce the PO4 a good trade off? I've never had good luck with SPS and would like increase my chances of success.
 
Food also has a lot to do with PO4. If you're overfeeding or feeding food with high PO4 its kinda like this.


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What happened with SPS? I would not be convinced it’s a phosphate issue.

SPS always seem to slowly waste away, could be other things I've just read that they dont like high phosphates. I've heard the same thing about GFO, that SPS doesnt like it. I guess its a question of which do they hate more...high phosphates or GFO. Seems like I'll have to pick one.

I realize it could be other things too. Softies and LPS do well in my tank, Im trying to eliminate any stressors to SPS to improve my chances.

To be fair Im doing well with monti's lately. I've never been able to keep those. Also have a stylo doing fairly well, acros have never lasted long though and I'd love to get some.

Food also has a lot to do with PO4. If you're overfeeding or feeding food with high PO4 its kinda like this.

I feed 1 cube of PE mysis daily, thats the only input I know of. I have a yellow tang, 2 clowns, filefish, gramma, damsel (they eat it all up). I used to also add chroma boost pellets also but discontinued that long ago for this reason.
 
IMO, there's no single best answer, and doing nothing might be just as good or better in some scenarios.

Can you describe what you want to or are keeping in the tank?
Softies and LPS. Softies do fine but LPS slowly diminishes, doesn’t grow much and doesn’t fully open all the time. Sent off 2 api lab test and both issues that came back were PO and Nitrates. I have a Neptune system with trident. Set my par with the pmk so I don’t think it is that. Just trying to get them down to see if lowering these levels makes a difference and didn’t know what route to take
 
Food also has a lot to do with PO4. If you're overfeeding or feeding food with high PO4 its kinda like this.


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Only thing I feed is mysis and LRF. Maybe I am overfeeding. I just break a chunk off, let it unfreeze and thing feed the fish
 
Only thing I feed is mysis and LRF. Maybe I am overfeeding. I just break a chunk off, let it unfreeze and thing feed the fish
LRF in my experience has lots of PO4. I'm not sure exactly how you feed but if you dump and run with the food, its likely that a good portion isn't getting eaten and is just decaying. When I feed frozen foods, I tend to just do a small squirt into the tank, let it sit for 3-5 minutes, do another squirt, and repeat. I find that my PO4 started to reduce on its own with this method. I also found I needed to feed overall less because the fish themselves were getting fatter due to getting more food consistently. It really doesn't take much food to create a healthy tank even for larger fish.
 
SPS always seem to slowly waste away, could be other things I've just read that they dont like high phosphates. I've heard the same thing about GFO, that SPS doesnt like it. I guess its a question of which do they hate more...high phosphates or GFO. Seems like I'll have to pick one.

I realize it could be other things too. Softies and LPS do well in my tank, Im trying to eliminate any stressors to SPS to improve my chances.

To be fair Im doing well with monti's lately. I've never been able to keep those. Also have a stylo doing fairly well, acros have never lasted long though and I'd love to get some.



I feed 1 cube of PE mysis daily, thats the only input I know of. I have a yellow tang, 2 clowns, filefish, gramma, damsel (they eat it all up). I used to also add chroma boost pellets also but discontinued that long ago for this reason.
SPS not liking GFO is a load of bologna. SPS don't like fluctuations in water parametes. MANY reefers use GFO with SPS dominate tanks with no problems. The real issue is that GFO requires a somewhat steep learning curve. With anything though, you do your research and GFO becomes something that isn't that difficult to implement. When you start with GFO you need to really take it easy on how much you use until you see how your phosphate drops. Once you have an idea of how fast and much your phosphates dropping you can start to adjust how much GFO you're using. If your only goal is to use GFO to reduce PO4 below 0.1ppm then, GFO becomes even easier to use. Its when you ride that line between 0.03ppm and 0.00ppm that creates issues quickly if you get it wrong.


Pellets arn't bad, but really you just need to feed 3-5 pellets per fish. If you count that up, you'll realize it likely wasn't the food causing PO4 issues, but a heavy feeding hand that was.

Also, make sure your tang is getting nori a couple times a week. Tangs need a prominently algae based diet to maintain a healthy body. An interesting point to this is that this could also potentially help your nutrients. Tangs bodies are not meant to process proteins from shrimp. Can they eat them? Yeah absolutely. Will it kill them? Probably not. But when an animal cannot properly process the food its eating, its excreting lots of beneficial nutrients to the fish. IE: Nitrates and Phosphates. So theoretically, feeding a diet that the fish can more efficiently digest and utilize will also lower nitrates and phosphates because they are being used for growth instead of just being passed through the animal. Probably something that is inconsequential on a test kit, but for the animal can make a big difference.
 
SPS always seem to slowly waste away, could be other things I've just read that they dont like high phosphates. I've heard the same thing about GFO, that SPS doesnt like it. I guess its a question of which do they hate more...high phosphates or GFO. Seems like I'll have to pick one.

I realize it could be other things too. Softies and LPS do well in my tank, Im trying to eliminate any stressors to SPS to improve my chances.

To be fair Im doing well with monti's lately. I've never been able to keep those. Also have a stylo doing fairly well, acros have never lasted long though and I'd love to get some.



I feed 1 cube of PE mysis daily, thats the only input I know of. I have a yellow tang, 2 clowns, filefish, gramma, damsel (they eat it all up). I used to also add chroma boost pellets also but discontinued that long ago for this reason.

Well, some fabulous SPS tanks have had much higher phosphate than yours. OTOH, many folks get problems lowering it.

If you do try to lower it, go very, very slowly.
 
SPS not liking GFO is a load of bologna. SPS don't like fluctuations in water parametes. MANY reefers use GFO with SPS dominate tanks with no problems. The real issue is that GFO requires a somewhat steep learning curve. With anything though, you do your research and GFO becomes something that isn't that difficult to implement. When you start with GFO you need to really take it easy on how much you use until you see how your phosphate drops. Once you have an idea of how fast and much your phosphates dropping you can start to adjust how much GFO you're using. If your only goal is to use GFO to reduce PO4 below 0.1ppm then, GFO becomes even easier to use. Its when you ride that line between 0.03ppm and 0.00ppm that creates issues quickly if you get it wrong.


Pellets arn't bad, but really you just need to feed 3-5 pellets per fish. If you count that up, you'll realize it likely wasn't the food causing PO4 issues, but a heavy feeding hand that was.

Also, make sure your tang is getting nori a couple times a week. Tangs need a prominently algae based diet to maintain a healthy body. An interesting point to this is that this could also potentially help your nutrients. Tangs bodies are not meant to process proteins from shrimp. Can they eat them? Yeah absolutely. Will it kill them? Probably not. But when an animal cannot properly process the food its eating, its excreting lots of beneficial nutrients to the fish. IE: Nitrates and Phosphates. So theoretically, feeding a diet that the fish can more efficiently digest and utilize will also lower nitrates and phosphates because they are being used for growth instead of just being passed through the animal. Probably something that is inconsequential on a test kit, but for the animal can make a big difference.
This makes a lot of sense. I cant prove it but fish seemed happier with the mix of frozen and pellets. Im sure those pellets were adding to the phosphate though. If dosing GFO allows me to feeds pellets again (and nori, I know I need to give this to the yellow) along with lowering phosphate that would be a huge win.

Was just trying to eliminate anything that I've heard SPS dont like.

I'm thinking one of those reactors with the built in pump and quick change container. I'd start slow. I dont need to ride the line on .03. I think anything below .1 should be ok for SPS...as long as its stable as you say.

I'm planning to get one of those coralvue Mavens when they come out. Even if not perfect, Im sure it would be better than my weekly checking of nutrients.
 
Well, some fabulous SPS tanks have had much higher phosphate than yours. OTOH, many folks get problems lowering it.

If you do try to lower it, go very, very slowly.
Yeah and lots of people have SPS tanks with GFO that look great. Maybe I shouldnt do anything.

I'd lower slowly. I've been battling Dino's recently and just starting to get ahead of it. I will absolutely not let nutrients drop to zero.
 

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